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Plaid_Avenger 9 points ago +9 / -0

They want to make laws that you have to hide under the bed because they are scared of the bogey man. Their cowardice seems excusable if you force it on everyone.

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Ham_Sandwich77 [S] 6 points ago +10 / -4

Like why are we ruining people's lives for refusing to get the vax when the vax appears to have had no effect on this pandemic?

Edit: One argument I've heard is that the vaccines aren't stopping people getting the virus, but they are lowing the fatality rate.

Is that really the case though? Or are you just counting fewer motorcycle decapitations and skydiving accidents as "covid deaths" than you were before?

I don't think they have a handle on this thing at all. I think it's just easier to blame a minority of powerless, unvaxxed plebs for the persistence of this pandmeic than it is for the establishment to take responsibility and admit they're failing.

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BCbonny 13 points ago +13 / -0

If the powers to be really wanted to stop or at least minimize the spread of this virus they would have closed down the airports the first time the China virus started to appear in Canada. All the restrictions and even the "miracle" vaccine has not slowed down the spread and has turned friends,neighbours and family members against each other because of the "fear" you will die if you get within 6 feet of someone.

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Scrodimite 5 points ago +5 / -0

They are in too deep to admit they don't know shit or they were wrong. They have to double down on the bullshit or people might just start to clue in on the scam.

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BritPedeMEGA 5 points ago +5 / -0

Mmhmm. The ‘health’ poohbahs know damn well it doesn’t add up but they are just hanging on long enough to get a decent pension and quit and disappear before the criminal neuremberg trials start popping up.

Bonnie Henry, cough… sorry Herr Gesundheitfuhrer Henry is up for trial.

In 2023 alas.

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Gerned 2 points ago +3 / -1

I agree with you

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mostlycloudy -3 points ago +3 / -6

Well they said the Delta is more contagious than the regular COVID variant so it's spreading more. I don't know. I even asked my Dr and she said nobody knows anything. Could be that people are more lax with masks and gatherings so it's spreading more. I know my street is having parties almost every weekend, this time last year it was a ghost town.

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Ham_Sandwich77 [S] 4 points ago +5 / -1

My money is on the vaccines not being nearly as effective as advertised.

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1445196426997288960?s=20

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BritPedeMEGA 2 points ago +3 / -1

Not sure why you got downvotes, you are on the right trail… but it’s more complex than that. You’re right, IF we assume that sars2 mutations follow normal evolutionary patterns. That is, as a virus mutates, it gets more infectious but less pathogenic- that is, it gets weaker and more harmless.

This is germ theory 101, any bio text book will have this. I recall that from high school for gods sake.

The best thing to have happened is if no shots were introduced at ALL. The virus allowed to weaken naturally through mutations (just like flu and common cold, also a coronavirus family).

Instead: since the jabs are “leaky” - they are driving unnatural virus evolution to have only resistant and more virulent ones outstanding. Again this is immunology 101.

In Italy, remember the early days? It shot through Italy like wildfire and killed many. Notice who it mainly killed? The elderly and frail.

Anyone who’s been paying attention has noticed the dinosaur fake news media has long ago stopped breathlessly reporting on the death rate/numbers, and it’s now Ze Cases! Ze Cases! (Ze plane! Ze plane!) ad nauseum. Because there’s simply now no statistically large deaths to report on.

Well, hey, you can get cases of the clap, doesn’t mean it’s killing in big numbers.

So, logical upshot of that is, if this thing was going to kill off anyone, anyone that was vulnerable (frail/elderly etc) was going to be in that initial spike.

Saying that, remember that the flu cases more or less disappeared throughout 2020 and 2021? Funny that.

What’s left is stronger, healthier seniors and the younger cohort.

Any deaths now I’m betting is mainly the frail, old, immunity compromised, and the very fat.

I bet your doctor does know. He’s just been silenced.

As for masks. That’s always amusing isn’t it? Changes every few months. Yes, no, maybe.

The holes in the masks are about 5000 times bigger than the Rona.

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tuchodi -13 points ago +2 / -15

I'm having a hard time understanding why anyone thinks these vaccines are ga solution to this pandemic.

They keep covid patients out of the hospital. As of October 10 the large majority of people in Ontario hospitals with covid are from the minority of people who are not vaccinated.

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data

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Ham_Sandwich77 [S] 10 points ago +10 / -0

Then why are more people dying now than were this time last year when we had a 0% vaccination rate?

https://i.imgur.com/ZaLUzXh.png

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tuchodi -10 points ago +1 / -11

why are more people dying now than were this time last year

More people infected, and variants which are worse than the original virus.

On Oct 5 2020 there were 168,960 cases. On Oct 5 2021 there were 1,657,262 - ten times as many - (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/canada/), and in the interim some variants of concern have appeared which have a higher transmission rate and cause a more severe infection.

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Ham_Sandwich77 [S] 6 points ago +6 / -0

On Oct 5 2020 there were 168,960 cases. On Oct 5 2021 there were 1,657,262 - ten times as man

You fucking retard. That's total cases, ever. Of course there's going to have been more cases a year later if you're counting them all cumulatively. That's how basic addition works.

The metric that matters for how well the vaccine is preventing spread is how many new cases are appearing each day, and right now we're getting 3,735 new cases a day, whereas on 9 Oct 2020 we were at 2,145 a day.

The metric that matters how well the vaccine is preventing infected people from dying is the number of covid deaths per day, and right now we're at 36 deaths a day whereas on 9 Oct 2020 we were at 23 deaths a day.

https://media.omegacanada.win/post/h12ug31B.png

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RightOfSask 1 point ago +2 / -1

now we're at 36 deaths a day whereas on 9 Oct 2020 we were at 23 deaths a day.

And if in two months (December) the death rate will be considerable lower than in 2020, will you make a post that the vaccines are working? In December 2020 about 100 to 120 people every day died due to Covid and we had a vaccination rate of 0%.

But we know that you won't make that post. Kinda funny to see you make the same points as the anti-vaxx PPCtards you banned.

The metric that matters how well the vaccine is preventing infected people from dying is the number of covid deaths per day

It's not and you know that. You can see how effective or ineffective the vaccine is if you compare the outcomes. How many people die while they are fully vaccinated vs. not vaccinated and compare that to the overall vaccination rate. Alberta for example publishes that data.

https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccine-outcomes

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Ham_Sandwich77 [S] 4 points ago +5 / -1

And if in two months (December) the death rate will be considerable lower than in 2020, will you make a post that the vaccines are working?

Yes, I will. You can hold me to that. I'm not trying to push an anti-vax agenda. I've been prov-vax all along. I'm only making an observation here.

How many people die while they are fully vaccinated vs. not vaccinated and compare that to the overall vaccination rate.

Here you go. Feel free to do the math.

Alberta for example publishes that data.

This Alberta?

Now, what is your deal? How do you NOT see a problem here? A year into the vaccinations and we're doing no better than we were this time last year. We're doing worse in fact.

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RightOfSask 0 points ago +1 / -1

Yes, I will. You can hold me to that.

I will. And I want you to pin the post then with the statement that the vaccines are working.

Here you go. Feel free to do the math.

Where do I see in your graphs how many of the Covid deaths were vaccinated or not?

This Alberta?

We already had this conversation. Alberta is not counting everybody who is staying at home as Covid case. Ezra was pushing fake news.

How do you NOT see a problem here?

Because it doesn't show if vaccinated people are dying. Here is the table of Covid deaths with their vaccination status in Alberta from the last 120 days.

https://imgur.com/gCfGuTg.png

The death rate per 100k of unvaccinated people is more than 10 to 50 times higher (depending on the age group) compared to vaccinated people.

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Ham_Sandwich77 [S] 3 points ago +5 / -2

Where do I see in your graphs how many of the Covid deaths were vaccinated or not?

You know that 71% of the population are vaccinated in sample B, compared 0% in sample A.

If absolute infections and deaths are both higher in sample B, there's absolutely no way to conclude that B is an improvement over A. Stop trying to be contrarian. There's no way to spin this. We're doing worse after after the vaccinations than before. Absent some alternative explanation, that says something about the efficacy of the vaccinations.

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tuchodi -7 points ago +1 / -8

counting them all cumulatively

You're right. I wasn't comparing the two snapshots correctly.

The metric that matters how well the vaccine is preventing infected people from dying is the number of covid deaths per day, and right now we're at 36 deaths a day whereas on 9 Oct 2020 we were at 23 deaths a day.

Look at it this way then: we have 70% more cases per day of more transmissible and virulent versions of the virus, while only 60% more deaths.

You aren't one of these people who think the vaccines should be 100% effective against catching the virus, are you? It's a global pandemic after all. People are gonna die.

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Therealrage 5 points ago +5 / -0

I love how you always believe these numbers haha so naive

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Riggs99 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yup. almost every government has been lying about numbers from the start, and using a PCR test which doenst measure sickness as per creator Kary Mullins. (but does give a 90% false positive rate since we use 40+ cycle threshold testing)

Isreal and UK numbers seem more accurate, they are actually measuring cases among the vaxxed. US and Canada are NOT counting cases among vaxxed - they are intentionally NOT marking it down, and/or marking down anyone jabbed within 14 days of dying as unvaxxed - and then claiming its all the filthy unvaxxed causing cases. - easy to fake numbers when you simply dont count them.

The numbers are all lies - things are far worse than being told. And this winter, with cold/flu season arriving, and compromised immune systems all over - it is going to be very bad for a lot of people.

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