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BritPedeMEGA 1 point ago +1 / -0

I wonder what data is behind these deaths? The cause, apparent treatments etc before the deaths? This is in the last year, correct? Hmmm. Strange. 2020 was the year of the rona pandemic with no jabby, and 2021 was the year they got a whole lot of folks jabbied.

One would think that the rona being not tackled in 2020 would result in more deaths than 2021, but its the opposite even as jabby percentages grow.

How odd. Investigations must be made.

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BritPedeMEGA 1 point ago +1 / -0

Now this is interesting. Granted, Adams can be a bit of a grifter sometimes, a militant vegan, and his presentation can be sensationalist, but what matters is the 3rd party references and data provided. Are they true, or not? It depends, largely on the story.

ISD though? I had a quick dig and 'followed the money'.

I wasn't entirely surprised to find that it's founders, partners, associates include Geroge Soros, Bill & Melinda Gates, John Hopkins University, the ADL (real nice people there hey), Global Affairs Canada, The MCCain Institute (Yes, THAT RINO McCain), Public Safety Canada.

The rest of it is a whos who of globalist orgs, as well as BIg Tech. One would be forgiven for speculating that it's a large, well funded, globalist digital propaganda mouthpiece in the vein of Orwells 'Ministry of Truth'. But that would be assuming wouldn't it. So maybe ill leave it up to the forum to decide.

The Rt. "Honourable" First Lord of The Treasury, Mr. Trudeau's gov, has also used their er....."services".

Direct quote from ISD's 'brochure' - " We have trained over 32,000 activists and social influencers around the world, and have pioneered first of their kind intervention models across different online spaces – gaming, social media, alt-tech platforms – reaching over 100 million targeted users online to date. Our policy and community networks make ISD uniquely equipped to scale proven solutions and programmes. Advisory and policy: We formulate and advocate policy solutions, and provide local authorities, central governments and multilateral institutions with the data, expertise and technical support to deliver evidence-based policy and programming. ISD has provided policy support and training to over 40 governments and 150 cities worldwide. We launched the Strong Cities Network..."

And:

"ISD has spearheaded and led inter-governmental initiatives in the domains of counter-extremism and digital regulation."

Digital....regulation. An army of 32,000 activists & influencers? Who knows, maybe some of them lurk on the .win network...

Sources: A bit amateurish looking but data is data. https://stormhaven.blog/2021/07/21/trudeau-off-shoring-censorship-of-canadians-meet-your-new-ministry-of-truth/

https://canucklaw.ca/institute-for-strategic-dialogue-isd-government-sponsored-group-combatting-misinformation/

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tuchodi -3 points ago +1 / -4

Adams can be a bit of a grifter sometimes

You win the Internet Understatement of the Day Award

Don't like ISD? How about McGill? Adams was on the pseudoscience radar years ago. Even in 2018 he had about 60 wanna-be-science web sites all linking to his store. https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/quackery/mike-adams-building-alternate-reality-online.

Anyway, if there's any justice Mike Adams will face it for blaming the vaccines on the increased death rate instead of the virus.

what matters is the 3rd party references and data provided

They are shit.

Adams says the vaccines are causing the excess deaths, and references:

  1. https://www.thecentersquare.com/indiana/indiana-life-insurance-ceo-says-deaths-are-up-40-among-people-ages-18-64/article_71473b12-6b1e-11ec-8641-5b2c06725e2c.html

This article does not say the excess deaths are caused by vaccines.

  1. https://www.fda.gov/media/143557/download

This list is from October of 2020. It is marked "Draft" and "Subject to change". Surely in an article dated January 3 2022 Adams could find something more timely to support his bullshit.

  1. https://www.indexmundi.com/clocks/indicator/deaths/united-states

This link provides a daily death count in the US and has nothing to do with Adams' claims. It states specifically "Numbers on this page do not include deaths due to COVID-19" and says further "Check our coronavirus section for information about daily and total deaths caused by the virus." THAT link provides numbers for global cases and deaths that are in close agreement with similar totals at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ and https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

I repeat: it has nothing to do with Adams' claims and is in agreement with other pages tracking cumulative covid numbers.

4: https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/what-if-the-largest-experiment-on

Malone references the article in link 1 and appears unsure of its validity: "if this report holds and is confirmed by others", "IF this holds true", "this report implies", "IF this report holds true"...

He won't come out and flatly agree with Adams either.

So you may say "what matters is the 3rd party references and data provided", but those references don't back Adams. He's a 21st century snake oil salesman, cashing in on peoples' fear in order to make a buck.

As for William Ray (https://stormhaven.blog/2021/07/21/trudeau-off-shoring-censorship-of-canadians-meet-your-new-ministry-of-truth/) he appears to be supporting a citizen's right to say anything he wants to in a public forum (Ray doesn't actually address slander - that would be interesting) but apparently anything the government does to try to suppress harmful bullshit public speech is worth going to war for: "We are war it is time we act like it."

And "Ronnie" from https://canucklaw.ca/institute-for-strategic-dialogue-isd-government-sponsored-group-combatting-misinformation/ - what's wrong with giving "young people the resources to challenge violent extremism in all its forms"?

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BritPedeMEGA 1 point ago +1 / -0

I don't follow this Adams fella anyway, I don't care for his products or his sites, and I don't claim that Adams is right or wrong about anything. If he provides data thats useful, fine, if it leads nowhere, well more fool on him.

William Ray, havent heard of him before I found the site, but you said: "he appears to be supporting a citizen's right to say anything he wants to in a public forum, but apparently anything the government does to try to suppress harmful bullshit public speech is worth going to war for: "We are at war it is time we act like it.".

Supporting a citizens right to say anything he likes in a public forum? I have no problem with that, excepting libel/slander, incitement, uttering threats to kill/harm etc. Anything else is fair game. Especially so directed at government, 1st amendment and all. I cant get inside his head, but one would assume he means this.

To other citizens? No problem with that no. There is no such thing as 'hate' speech. There is just speech. 'Hating' someone is not a crime. Saying hateful things to them (sans the above) is not and should not be a crime.

If someone wants to go up to someone in the street and say every insult and slur to them under the sun? Fine. Wether it caucasian, black, oriental, south asian. Have at it. Obviously thats an asshole thing to do, but stick and stones and all that.

The line is crossed on application of force against a person or saying one of the above things like libel. Plenty things have been said even in comedy that are offensive to at least 1 person.

As for Ronnie, gain never heard of him until I found the site, you posit: "what's wrong with giving "young people the resources to challenge violent extremism in all its forms"? "

Well, nothing, on it's face. One would have to see these 'resources'. Why are we giving young people 'resources' for this? This is the job of the Police, RCMP, FBI, CIA etc. If...we assume 'extremeism' is things like Radical Islamic terrorism, Far left riots (Antifa), Far right activity such as the KKK (who are basically non existent at this point). Who else?

Irish mafia/terrorism? IRA? Been underground for decades.

I would imagine that 'young people' have better things to occupy themselves with than 'challenging violent extremism'. I'm not so young anymore and sure as heck me or my children would stay out of that. Call 911 and let the experts handle it. If my children come home complaining that Johnny or Jane called them a so and so today or X was saying ist or ism things to someone I say suck it up, people have been saying insults and slurs since the ancients to each other. If they complain they got hit? Next time they hit back.

By young people 'challenging' this, how? Going up to the manchester arena islamic suicide bomber in Manchester and 'havnig a word'? Trying to talk down that nutter that shot up that black church a few years back? Young people using their cars to box in those islamic nutters fleeing from the cops in California resulting in a shootout a few years back?

Or, more likely, is it 'challenging' people saying mean things to them or online. One would assume all the 'ist's' and 'isms'.

This IDS would be better off encouraging young people to go into the armed forces, or trades or learn practical skills, or giving them career advice on getting into the work force ASAP, growing a thick skin and toughening up, instead of telling kids to march around protesting this or that. Kids filling their heads currently with useless degrees like left handed puppetry or German Polka studies and racking up 10s of thousands of dollars in debt.

Those years spent doing that they could be in work learning way more about the human condition than wasting time on non STEM degrees.

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tuchodi -3 points ago +1 / -4

So when you said

what matters is the 3rd party references and data provided

you hadn't actually looked at them?

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BritPedeMEGA 1 point ago +1 / -0

I didn't say they were any good. Sometimes they are, sometimes they arent. Some data holds up, some doesn't. If hes wrong, hes wrong. If this Adams dude had non watertight data, well sucks for him, maybe he will try harder next time.