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hellishconditioning 14 points ago +14 / -0

cardboard and paper recycling is also a sham

only glass can be recycled (reused) and most metals

want to reduce? stop mass immigration. stop the endless growth. stop overpopulation.

fartybucketface 12 points ago +12 / -0

Let’s go back to glass bottles, which are actually recyclable, and don’t leach estrogen mimicking chemicals in to beverages.

ratticus 2 points ago +3 / -1

Plastic bottles weigh far less and when transport costs are factored in the extra fuel used to move heavy glass bottles outweighs the benefit of not using plastic.

MilkkTheShocker 3 points ago +3 / -0

So using glass instead would both make Canada's delivery men stronger and help support the energy industry? Sounds like a win/win.

ratticus 1 point ago +1 / -0

And make the things we buy more expensive. In every way plastic wins, and plastics are made from the products our energy industry make.

beerandoil 3 points ago +3 / -0

But are plastic bottles reusable over and over again? I know glass beer bottles are collected, washed, relabeled and refilled.

BlackFaceTrudope 2 points ago +2 / -0

Most glass doesn’t get recycled. See the 50’000ton pile of worthless crushed glass in Calgary.


beerandoil 2 points ago +2 / -0

Doesn’t surprise me at all. Who is going to wash the left over jam out of their containers and peel the labels off and put it in the bins all nice so they don’t break. It’s worthless. Only the beer bottles that people take to the depots are worth something, and usually only the brown ones are cleaned and reused.

BlackFaceTrudope 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yup. If you take your bottles to the depot they mostly get recycled.

Mixed glass thrown in a blue bin gets crushed and put in a pile in the hope that it’ll be valuable to someone one day.

ratticus 1 point ago +1 / -0

If every trip uses significantly more fuel it doesn't really matter if they are recyclable. The return trip of empty weight is pretty bad, too. Plastic is easy to make, light, and sanitary. We can burn them easily is we don't want them in the landfill and still be better than using glass.

fartybucketface 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yeah, clearly that’s why they’re all plastic these days. But I’d prefer we not feminize the populace with estrogen mimicking chemicals.

carrierlost 11 points ago +12 / -1

Hopefully governments can look at this and realize they could cut trash pick up in half by axing recycling. We've doubled the amount of trucks (air pollution anyone?) and people to pick up the same trash going to the same place.

I'm not holding my breath.

NoStepOnMe 8 points ago +8 / -0

Yes, the savings would be amazing, but it will take intense pressure from the public to get them to change. The city unions, and the waste management companies are making fat stacks of cash off of this racket, so you can guarantee that their lobbyists will be fighting to keep this going.

If any of this trash had value, the trucks would be paying to pick up the garbage from the landfill, not to drop it off.

The only real recycling is for metal (especially aluminum). Metal is expensive to mine, so recycling it makes sense. It is cheap to make new paper, plastic and glass, so recycling them doesn't make any sense.

While we're at it, we should also acknowledge that the composting programs are a lie too. Just like the bales of paper, bales of plastic, and mounds of glass, noone actually wants to buy truck fulls of compost from the city. And certainly not in the amount, or price, that would be required to justify these programs.

BlackFaceTrudope 2 points ago +2 / -0

What? I love to grow my garden veggies with municipal compost. The little pieces of glass, plastic and the hint of used motor oil just get my taste buds going

woodenboatguy 9 points ago +9 / -0 (edited)

we economists tend to be the sort who — what’s the phrase? — follow the science.

Uh say what again? That's bigger news than if the article told us recycling was finally working.

Both are a crock (great title OP).

Truth is, if it were making it from the very beginning, we would have seen all those 'green' jobs they kept telling us about that would lift the economy to the heavens. Plastic recycling plants would have been everywhere, because it was just so goddamn fantastic.

Lemme know when you see one.

We knew they were lying from when this all got its wheels under it, well back last century. Over and over you would read the news articles through the years around "they're burying this stuff, wtf?!" and go "ah.....my property taxes at work again."

And you would see the pledges flow in from the politicians that they needed "just a little bit more" from you to get our recycling up into the double digits.

Not you and I increasing our participation. That was actually fucking up the system royally and making it necessary to haul the stuff to the dump .... quietly. Until some enterprising reporter looked into it, again.

Truth is, we need garbage pick up each week. It was just "sorted" these past decades. When my recycling bin was full, I just stuffed the rest into the regular trash. When they switched to ever more complex schedules and recycling directions, it just got stuffed into the regular trash as well, and simply saw it go out the next week.

But, totally believe them whenever an "economist" or "climate scientist" but especially a politician tells us they're taking "just a little bit more" for good reason. They are in fact. Just not to help you or I, or the "environment".

Good one while it lasted, eh? I figure at least another ten years before this just becomes too much of an albatross to continue - there are a lot of people out there that prefer to be lied to.

StartedGivingBlood77 6 points ago +6 / -0

The gig was up when other countries wouldn't accept our shiploads of trash anymore. 😂

What makes anybody think that we'll recycle paper water bottles, or whatever?

We'll probably just burn it.

UsurpTheNarrative 5 points ago +5 / -0

Like every other thing Liberals do. Obviously.

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VexElectronica 4 points ago +4 / -0

Glad this is finally making mainstream news.

beerandoil 4 points ago +4 / -0

I am convinced that municipal recycling and compost collection are the result of lobbying from the company that makes the bins.

ratticus 3 points ago +3 / -0

A true environmentalist might have preferred to toss her plastics in a backyard burn barrel, which is much more eco-friendly than shipping them to China for incineration. Yet a bevy of bylaw officers would have beset that burn barrel, tut-tutting and ticket-writing with great moral indignation.

Thank Gawd I have a fireplace...

BlackFaceTrudope 2 points ago +2 / -0

So is municipal composting. We now spend billions to mostly haul away people’s grass clippings and leaves.

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