same authorities that vaccination doesn't effect infection and spread
They don't say that it doesn't effect transmission and spread. They say that the vaccine doesn't stop it. You can take a look at studies. It lowers the transmission rate (though it's not zero):
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34355689/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33880479/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8287551/
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html
"However, data show fully vaccinated persons are less likely than unvaccinated persons to acquire SARS-CoV-2, and infections with the Delta variant in fully vaccinated persons are associated with less severe clinical outcomes. Infections with the Delta variant in vaccinated persons potentially have reduced transmissibility than infections in unvaccinated persons, although additional studies are needed."
Some tweets with out of context clips from Conservative pundits and news outlets just give you what you want to hear and not the truth.
until you get into batshit crazytown
It doesn't matter if it's batshit crazytown. Currently the electorate supports the measures. That's why you see even Conservative province (for Canadian standards) implementing measures that would make Democratic run states in the US look like a freedom utopia. A month ago you were defending O'Toole for pushing similar policies, because that's "how you win elections".
The question is, where does it end?
It will end like the flu. There will be annual of bi-annual booster shots until someone find a better way to treat Covid. The majority will skip those booster shots like with the flu shot, but I expect that the older or at-risk population will take them without making any ruckus. The masks will vanish after winter, vaccines passports too. Even Ontario announced today further steps by removing more restrictions.
None of its working, and there appears to be no exit strategy.
If I take a look at the deaths or the hospitalized and how many of them are vaccinated or not, it clearly is working. Almost 75% of people in Ontario which are hospitalized with Covid in Ontario (ICU and non-ICU patients) are unvaccinated. Unvaccinated make up only 16% in the province (12+). It the vaccines wouldn't work, you would have far more vaccinated people in the hospital. If 95% of the people would get vaccinated, this would end in a few weeks. And a way to increase vaccination rates is to punish unvaccinated. From a "freedom" aspect not a great way, but from a politicians's view with the support of the electorate it's a way to win the next election.
Also there are exit strategies. Canadian politicians are just more cautious.
same authorities that vaccination doesn't effect infection and spread
They don't say that it doesn't effect transmission and spread. They say that the vaccine doesn't stop it. You can take a look at studies. It lowers the transmission rate (though it's not zero):
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34355689/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33880479/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8287551/
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html
"However, data show fully vaccinated persons are less likely than unvaccinated persons to acquire SARS-CoV-2, and infections with the Delta variant in fully vaccinated persons are associated with less severe clinical outcomes. Infections with the Delta variant in vaccinated persons potentially have reduced transmissibility than infections in unvaccinated persons, although additional studies are needed."
Some tweets with out of context clips from Conservative pundits and news outlets just give you what you want to hear and not the truth.
until you get into batshit crazytown
It doesn't matter if it's batshit crazytown. Currently the electorate supports the measures. That's why you see even very Conservative provinces (for Canadian standards) implementing measures that would make Democratic run states in the US look like a freedom utopia. A month ago you were defending O'Toole for pushing similar policies, because that's "how you win elections".
The question is, where does it end?
It will end like the flu. There will be annual of bi-annual booster shots until someone find a better way to treat Covid. The majority will skip those booster shots like with the flu shot, but I expect that the older or at-risk population will take them without making any ruckus. The masks will vanish after winter, vaccines passports too. Even Ontario announced today further steps by removing more restrictions.
None of its working, and there appears to be no exit strategy.
If I take a look at the deaths or the hospitalized and how many of them are vaccinated or not, it clearly is working. Almost 75% of people in Ontario which are hospitalized with Covid in Ontario (ICU and non-ICU patients) are unvaccinated. Unvaccinated make up only 16% in the province (12+). It the vaccines wouldn't work, you would have far more vaccinated people in the hospital. If 95% of the people would get vaccinated, this would end in a few weeks. And a way to increase vaccination rates is to punish unvaccinated. From a "freedom" aspect not a great way, but from a politicians's view with the support of the electorate it's a way to win the next election.
Also there are exit strategies. Canadian politicians are just more cautious.
same authorities that vaccination doesn't effect infection and spread
They don't say that it doesn't effect transmission and spread. They say that the vaccine doesn't stop it. You can take a look at studies. It lowers the transmission rate (though it's not zero):
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34355689/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33880479/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8287551/
Some tweets with out of context clips from Conservative pundits and news outlets just give you what you want to hear and not the truth.
until you get into batshit crazytown
It doesn't matter if it's batshit crazytown. Currently the electorate supports the measures. That's why you see even very Conservative provinces (for Canadian standards) implementing measures that would make Democratic run states in the US look like a freedom utopia. A month ago you were defending O'Toole for pushing similar policies, because that's "how you win elections".
The question is, where does it end?
It will end like the flu. There will be annual of bi-annual booster shots until someone find a better way to treat Covid. The majority will skip those booster shots like with the flu shot, but I expect that the older or at-risk population will take them without making any ruckus. The masks will vanish after winter, vaccines passports too. Even Ontario announced today further steps by removing more restrictions.
None of its working, and there appears to be no exit strategy.
If I take a look at the deaths or the hospitalized and how many of them are vaccinated or not, it clearly is working. Almost 75% of people in Ontario which are hospitalized with Covid in Ontario (ICU and non-ICU patients) are unvaccinated. Unvaccinated make up only 16% in the province (12+). It the vaccines wouldn't work, you would have far more vaccinated people in the hospital. If 95% of the people would get vaccinated, this would end in a few weeks. And a way to increase vaccination rates is to punish unvaccinated. From a "freedom" aspect not a great way, but from a politicians's view with the support of the electorate it's a way to win the next election.
Also there are exit strategies. Canadian politicians are just more cautious.