It's common to develop pneumonia after contracting a severe case of COVID-19, flu or cold. So if someone dies from pneumonia, that doesn't mean that COVID-19, flu or cold weren't contributing factors.
Also someone can die from an influenza and COVID-19 co-infection as well. That doesn't mean COVID-19 isn't a contributing factor. But does having two different viruses make it more likely you're gonna die? Absolutely.
A doctor has to make a judgment call as to whether COVID-19 contributed to a death instead of doing the died with COVID-19 thing.
If you develop pneumonia after having COVID-19 and you die from the pneumonia, that's a legitimate COVID-19 death (and also a pneumonia death. There can be multiple causes of death).
Most people who die from respiratory viruses, die from an opportunistic secondary infection, not the actual virus itself. The most common one being pneumonia. Think of it like a virus getting an assist on a goal. The pneumonia develops because the virus irritated your lungs. Hockey players get credits on assists. Why wouldn't you credit COVID-19, flu or cold with an assist when pneumonia scores a one-timer?
If you had COVID-19 and you die from a motorcycle accident, fentanyl overdose or being choked out, that's not a COVID-19 death because there's no assist there.
Pneumonia preceded by the flu was never listed as a flu death
Statscan literally codes pneumonia/flu deaths in the same category. As people who die from flu typically die from the pneumonia that develops afterwards.
When you are coughing vigorously to shed virus (whether it be flu, cold, SARS-CoV-2, rhinovirus, etc), this irritates your lungs. Which creates an opportunistic pathway for bacteria to invade your lungs. Pneumonia being one of the most common bacterial infections you develop after getting a respiratory virus.
Respiratory viruses like flu, cold, rhinovirus, covid, etc. generally can not kill you on its own. There is usually a secondary infection that leads to death. Or a complication that leads to death.
If HIV weakens my immune system and I develop pneumonia and die, pneumonia is listed as the cause of death. If I have diabetes and have a heart attack, it is not assumed that diabetes caused the heart attack. So if you are to accredit "assists" for COVID, do it for all other diseases as well.
That's how it works when they code cause of death. It is impossible for HIV to kill you directly. HIV weakens the immune system and causes you to develop some other illness and die. That's how it kills you. HIV always kills you via "assist". Yet we still have deaths marked down under HIV in Canada. Diabetes to my knowledge can only really kill you via "assists" as well. And diabetes deaths do get coded. However I think the reporting of diabetes deaths is under-reported. I have two family members who had diabetes who died of heart attack. Their diabetes definitely contributed to their heart attacks.
The problem with the way they report COVID deaths is that that they report everyone who had COVID at the time of death as a COVID death. So if I get shot and had COVID in my system at the time, it's a COVID death. Which is silly. But developing pneumonia after a viral infection is common knowledge. Even before we had masks, people were dying of pneumonia after having the flu/cold.
Statscan denies leading cause of death in a way that is completely different from the way that COVID deaths are reported btw. But underlying cause of death takes into account "assists". If you have HIV and you develop pneumonia as a result, HIV is the underlying cause of death. If you have flu and you develop pneumonia as a result, flu is the underlying cause of death. If you have diabetes and you get a heart attack as a result, diabetes is the underlying cause of death.
The cause of death tabulated is the underlying cause of death. This is defined as (a) the disease or injury which initiated the train of events leading directly to death, or (b) the circumstances of the accident or violence which produced the fatal injury. The underlying cause is selected from the conditions listed on the medical certificate of cause of death.
Pneumonia can be developed without a respiratory virus. However many severe cases of respiratory viruses lead to the development of complications like pneumonia among others. Like cytokine storm, sepsis, ARDS, etc. Flu can even cause heart attacks and brain damage. Yet the mainstream media is acting like this shit is unique to COVID.
134,143 deaths in the USA have both COVID-19 and pneumonia on the death certificate. So you're seeing lots of people with severe COVID develop pneumonia and die. But I also think that flu deaths have been under-reported significantly over the years. Because we never mass tested for flu the way we do for COVID. And I think it's silly that we are shutting down society over a virus that mainly kills the elderly. When we could just focus our resources on sheltering the elderly.
Notice how 278,486 deaths involve pneumonia and the majority of those don't include COVID-19 on the death certificate. That is very interesting. Lots of people die from pneumonia and we never shut society down over pneumonia before.
It's common to develop pneumonia after contracting a severe case of COVID-19, flu or cold. So if someone dies from pneumonia, that doesn't mean that COVID-19, flu or cold weren't contributing factors.
Also someone can die from an influenza and COVID-19 co-infection as well. That doesn't mean COVID-19 isn't a contributing factor. But does having two different viruses make it more likely you're gonna die? Absolutely.
A doctor has to make a judgment call as to whether COVID-19 contributed to a death instead of doing the died with COVID-19 thing.
If you develop pneumonia after having COVID-19 and you die from the pneumonia, that's a legitimate COVID-19 death (and also a pneumonia death. There can be multiple causes of death).
Most people who die from respiratory viruses, die from an opportunistic secondary infection, not the actual virus itself. The most common one being pneumonia. Think of it like a virus getting an assist on a goal. The pneumonia develops because the virus irritated your lungs. Hockey players get credits on assists. Why wouldn't you credit COVID-19, flu or cold with an assist when pneumonia scores a one-timer?
If you had COVID-19 and you die from a motorcycle accident, fentanyl overdose or being choked out, that's not a COVID-19 death because there's no assist there.
Statscan literally codes pneumonia/flu deaths in the same category. As people who die from flu typically die from the pneumonia that develops afterwards.
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1310039401
Influenza and pneumonia [J09-J18]
When you are coughing vigorously to shed virus (whether it be flu, cold, SARS-CoV-2, rhinovirus, etc), this irritates your lungs. Which creates an opportunistic pathway for bacteria to invade your lungs. Pneumonia being one of the most common bacterial infections you develop after getting a respiratory virus.
Respiratory viruses like flu, cold, rhinovirus, covid, etc. generally can not kill you on its own. There is usually a secondary infection that leads to death. Or a complication that leads to death.
That's how it works when they code cause of death. It is impossible for HIV to kill you directly. HIV weakens the immune system and causes you to develop some other illness and die. That's how it kills you. HIV always kills you via "assist". Yet we still have deaths marked down under HIV in Canada. Diabetes to my knowledge can only really kill you via "assists" as well. And diabetes deaths do get coded. However I think the reporting of diabetes deaths is under-reported. I have two family members who had diabetes who died of heart attack. Their diabetes definitely contributed to their heart attacks.
The problem with the way they report COVID deaths is that that they report everyone who had COVID at the time of death as a COVID death. So if I get shot and had COVID in my system at the time, it's a COVID death. Which is silly. But developing pneumonia after a viral infection is common knowledge. Even before we had masks, people were dying of pneumonia after having the flu/cold.
Statscan denies leading cause of death in a way that is completely different from the way that COVID deaths are reported btw. But underlying cause of death takes into account "assists". If you have HIV and you develop pneumonia as a result, HIV is the underlying cause of death. If you have flu and you develop pneumonia as a result, flu is the underlying cause of death. If you have diabetes and you get a heart attack as a result, diabetes is the underlying cause of death.
The cause of death tabulated is the underlying cause of death. This is defined as (a) the disease or injury which initiated the train of events leading directly to death, or (b) the circumstances of the accident or violence which produced the fatal injury. The underlying cause is selected from the conditions listed on the medical certificate of cause of death.
Pneumonia can be developed without a respiratory virus. However many severe cases of respiratory viruses lead to the development of complications like pneumonia among others. Like cytokine storm, sepsis, ARDS, etc. Flu can even cause heart attacks and brain damage. Yet the mainstream media is acting like this shit is unique to COVID.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
134,143 deaths in the USA have both COVID-19 and pneumonia on the death certificate. So you're seeing lots of people with severe COVID develop pneumonia and die. But I also think that flu deaths have been under-reported significantly over the years. Because we never mass tested for flu the way we do for COVID. And I think it's silly that we are shutting down society over a virus that mainly kills the elderly. When we could just focus our resources on sheltering the elderly.
Notice how 278,486 deaths involve pneumonia and the majority of those don't include COVID-19 on the death certificate. That is very interesting. Lots of people die from pneumonia and we never shut society down over pneumonia before.