This is one reason why the left-right dichotomy sucks. The "no, actually, YOU are the Nazi!" argument that conservatives and liberals play is not a discussion. The reason the NDSAP went with "national socialist" for a name is largely a matter of practicality, as it gave both people on the left and the right a reason to look at their platform. I assume the "Progressive Conservative" name was chosen for much the same reason, to draw in a larger crowd who feel they may be represented in some way.
As Hitler described it, his socialism was much different than Marx's socialism, believing that the term was a German invention which had been hijacked by communist jews (never seen any proof of that). National socialism (and other forms of fascism) basically say "this is our ideology, these are our goals, we must work together to achieve them." The role of the state is to create social unity and ensure nothing within the nation actively harms the social unity of the nation or impedes progress towards its goals. Private property is fine. Private enterprise is fine, so long as the NDSAP feels it doesn't cause harm by providing unfair wages, unfair benefits, causes health issues, harms the environment, promotes race mixing, promotes jewish interests, promotes communism, creates defeatism, etc.
Building a political platform around an idealism rather than materialism I believe makes national socialism (and other "extreme" ideologies) signficantly different than the common ideologies of today (socialism, neoliberalism, neoconservatism) and boiling it down to simply "the nazis were leftists, your side!" or "the nazis were right wing, your side!" is stupid.
Not that I'd espouse a strategy of deceitful propaganda, but claiming that deceitful propaganda strategies don't have any effect seems to ignore reality.
Leftists are pointing their fingers at conservatives and calling them fascists, and that lie is so big, and repeated so often, that it's actually now part of the dialog.
Perhaps you don't have to mimic the deceitful trash that lives on the left, but it's silly to pretend that their immoral deceitful tactics are completely ineffective.
What is right wing about nazis anyway.
Leftists consider anything anti semitic or the wrong kind of racist to be right wing.
What are right-wing social values?
You mean like, controlling everything in the market for war?
That’s what communists always did. Right wing values are “live and let live”.
My point exactly
Ok, but what about them makes them right wing?
Do you honestly believe people were free to produce whatever they wanted in nazi germany? Or was the party dictating everything in the market?
Ok, but what about them makes them right wing or conservative?
He didn't support Capitalism at all. He said it is a ploy by baron bankers.
Just one faction of socialism killing another faction because they want power. Nothing special or new about this.
This is one reason why the left-right dichotomy sucks. The "no, actually, YOU are the Nazi!" argument that conservatives and liberals play is not a discussion. The reason the NDSAP went with "national socialist" for a name is largely a matter of practicality, as it gave both people on the left and the right a reason to look at their platform. I assume the "Progressive Conservative" name was chosen for much the same reason, to draw in a larger crowd who feel they may be represented in some way.
As Hitler described it, his socialism was much different than Marx's socialism, believing that the term was a German invention which had been hijacked by communist jews (never seen any proof of that). National socialism (and other forms of fascism) basically say "this is our ideology, these are our goals, we must work together to achieve them." The role of the state is to create social unity and ensure nothing within the nation actively harms the social unity of the nation or impedes progress towards its goals. Private property is fine. Private enterprise is fine, so long as the NDSAP feels it doesn't cause harm by providing unfair wages, unfair benefits, causes health issues, harms the environment, promotes race mixing, promotes jewish interests, promotes communism, creates defeatism, etc.
Building a political platform around an idealism rather than materialism I believe makes national socialism (and other "extreme" ideologies) signficantly different than the common ideologies of today (socialism, neoliberalism, neoconservatism) and boiling it down to simply "the nazis were leftists, your side!" or "the nazis were right wing, your side!" is stupid.
Not that I'd espouse a strategy of deceitful propaganda, but claiming that deceitful propaganda strategies don't have any effect seems to ignore reality.
Leftists are pointing their fingers at conservatives and calling them fascists, and that lie is so big, and repeated so often, that it's actually now part of the dialog.
Perhaps you don't have to mimic the deceitful trash that lives on the left, but it's silly to pretend that their immoral deceitful tactics are completely ineffective.
He votes LPC. It's obvious he doesn't read.... Like Trudope.