This is the main argument that pro-CPC folks have been telling me to vote for CPC instead of PPC. They say Max made the mistake of starting his own party. They argue that if he waited it out he could have been the leader of the CPC this time around. Is Trump running as a Republican a good comparison to this?
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He wound't have to dismantle it from the inside. He would almost certainly be party leader right now if he hadn't thrown a hissyfit over milk and quit the CPC. And once he becomes party leader, his platform automatically becomes the party's platform. No "dismantling" required.
But yes, Max has zero chance as the leader of a fringe party he created for himself. And he knows that. He did that merely out of spite, knowing that he could hurt the CPC's chances of winning the next election if he split the vote and forced the CPC to fight in two directions at once rather than just having to fight the Liberals.
See, it wasn't just the actual votes he stole from the CPC, he forced the CPC to try and pander harder to the right in order to not hemorrhage right-wing voters now that they had an alternative. Sheer having to do that hurt him with the centrist swing voters too.
This whole PPC thing was all just a scheme to make the CPC lose in 2019 and give Trudeau another four years, out of pure sour grapes on Bernier's part because he lost the leadership election.
I really don't understand your point of view.
If Derek Sloan can't sway the "Conservatives" what makes you think that Bernier would have had any pull in this leadership race...
It was always designed to be either MacKay or O’Toole, that was clear for the entire length of the campaign.
It wasn't out of spite and designed to cause the "Conservatives" to lose. It's literally because the party itself is over. It doesn't conserve anything, they allow the Left to trample all over our values.
Really? You don't see any difference between Sloan (an outsider nobody's ever heard of, has no experience in government and no standing in the party), and Maxime Bernier, who's held one of the highest cabinet minister jobs (foreign affairs) among other and nearly won the last leadership election, collecting the most first pick votes? Are you serious? You know there's more to candidate electability than just their polices, right? Holy fuck.
Bernier's popularity only tanked with Conservatives when he quit the CPC and went to war with them.
Stop. Either show me some proof of this big conspiracy, or spare me the tinforil hat crap. If we were talking before the election, you'd be saying it was rigged for MacKay, since he's the party establishment's favorite. You're only saying "MacKay or O’Toole" now because MacKay lost.
Hahaha! Imagine actually believing this. You are in a cult. You need to face reality. Stop sending cheques to this charlatan and stop recruiting new victims for him.
I'm just wondering how long you're gonna sit in the aisle of the "Conservatives" while everyone is focused on leaving the aisle for real Conservatism.
If you're not standing up for your country's personal growth and against anything the United Nations has in store for humanity, then you aren't on the right side of the people.
Maxime Bernier, is THE only politician speaking on behalf of the utter Satanic Communistic approach of the United Nations.
LOL by "everyone" you mean all seven people who are voting PPC? LOL.
If I want to hand Trudeau another term I'll just vote Liberal.
Thanks for writing a rebuttal, I've been arguing with Ham for years about how stupid his perspective of Maxime Bernier causing this split vote scenario out of spite...
No.
The "Conservative" party isn't conserving any of our values, I'm shocked some of them even spoke up when the Macdonald statue went down.
Even then it was met with resistance, no doubt from the Left in this country, and they backed down as far as I know.
He says some dumb shit about me recruiting people... Funny thing is I don't even have to do work, the "Conservatives" are hemorrhaging supporters almost on a daily because of the BS they spout out.
Insult people all you want, the PPC will never be anything more than an aid to the LPC by splitting the Conservative vote.
I see your points but there's just one thing I don't understand. No one swinging close to the centre or leaning left is voting for Max before CPC. CPC did fine in the West, it was Ontario and Quebec that costed them the election. I don't understand where Max did damage and split the voters. Ontario is kind of a lost cause because of Toronto. Fence-sitters would go for CPC or NDP first if they didn't wanna vote for Liberals. So where exactly is Max stealing the votes from? Quebec?