That's funny, because I'm not a Bernier loyalist. I actually know very little about him. What little I've seen I've liked, but, that doesn't make me a loyalist. Sloan is who I would want to be the CPC leader.

And let's say, for the sake of argument, that O'Toole's so-called "strategy" (of alienating the conservative base to try to attract Leftist voters) works. Let's say he is elected as the prime minister, with a minority government.

Name some prominent conservative politicians, preferably from cultures closer to our own, who have in the recent past announced progressive-like policies as their platform, and then, after gaining power, went back on their word and acted like a real conservative, enacting conservative policies. Good luck naming them Ham.

And I'm not talking the no-name politicians who pop up and suddenly become popular for their strong conservative views. I can only think of one politician off hand (Macron), who is standing up in an unexpected way AND is prominent + previously acting like a Leftist.

I would go as far to say that the number of "conservative" politicians who went progressive and never came back far outweighs the number of conservative politicians who went progressive and DID come back.

Regardless of whether these "conservative" politicians thought they were "pretending" going in or not, once they've bowed to the progressive mob, good luck turning them back into full blown conservatives after the fact. There are good reasons for why this phenomena occurs.

While I understand why you think supporting O'Toole is a good idea Ham (for strategy reasons), I really don't believe that even if he wins that he will enact many conservative policies. At best, I see him being a weak, timid conservative leader (which is preferable to Trudeau, but, still not very desirable). At worst, he's conservative in name only, and mostly enacts progressive policies.

Now, is the PPC likely to be more successful, at least in the short term? I don't know the answer to that. I'm skeptical, given the power of name branding alone. My original comment was about O'Toole specifically though, not Bernier, and I'd prefer you consider & respond to the thoughts on O'Toole.

That's funny, because I'm not a Bernier loyalist. I actually know very little about him. What little I've seen I've liked, but, that doesn't make me a loyalist. Sloan is who I would want to be the CPC leader.

And let's say, for the sake of argument, that O'Toole's so-called "strategy" (of alienating the conservative base to try to attract Leftist voters) works. Let's say he is elected as the prime minister, with a minority government.

Name some prominent conservative politicians, preferably from cultures closer to our own, who have in the recent past announced progressive-like policies as their platform, and then, after gaining power, went back on their word and acted like a real conservative, enacting conservative policies. Good luck naming them Ham.

And I'm not talking the no-name politicians who pop up and suddenly become popular for their strong conservative views. I can only think of one politician off hand (Macron), who is standing up in an unexpected way AND is prominent + previously acting like a Leftist.

I would go as far to say that the number of "conservative" politicians who went progressive and never came back far outweighs the number of conservative politicians who went progressive and DID come back.

Regardless of whether these "conservative" politicians thought they were "pretending" going in or not, once they've bowed to the progressive mob, good luck turning them back into full blown conservatives after the fact. There's good reasons for why this phenomena occurs.

While I understand why you think supporting O'Toole is a good idea Ham (for strategy reasons), I really don't believe that even if he wins that he will enact many conservative policies. At best, I see him being a weak, timid conservative leader (which is preferable to Trudeau, but, still not very desirable). At worst, he's conservative in name only, and mostly enacts progressive policies.

Now, is the PPC likely to be more successful, at least in the short term? I don't know the answer to that. I'm skeptical, given the power of name branding alone. My original comment was about O'Toole specifically though, not Bernier, and I'd prefer you consider & respond to the thoughts on O'Toole.

That's funny, because I'm not a Bernier loyalist. I actually know very little about him. What little I've seen I've liked, but, that doesn't make me a loyalist. Sloan is who I would want to be the CPC leader.

And let's say, for the sake of argument, that O'Toole's so-called "strategy" (of alienating the conservative base to try to attract Leftist voters) works. Let's say he is elected as the prime minister, with a minority government.

Name some prominent conservative politicians, preferably from cultures closer to our own, who have in the recent past announced progressive-like policies as their platform, and then, after gaining power, went back on their word and acted like a real conservative, enacting conservative policies. Good luck naming them Ham.

And I'm not talking the no-name politicians who pop up and suddenly become popular for their strong conservative views. I can only think of one politician off hand (Macron), who is standing up in an unexpected way AND is prominent + previously acting like a Leftist.

I would go as far to say that the number of "conservative" politicians who went progressive and never came back far outweighs the number of conservative politicians who went progressive and DID come back.

Regardless of whether these "conservative" politicians thought they were "pretending" going in or not, once they've bowed to the progressive mob, good luck turning them back into full blown conservatives after the fact. There's good reasons for why this phenomena occurs.

While I understand why you think supporting O'Toole is a good idea Ham (for strategy reasons), I really don't believe that even if he wins that he will enact many conservative policies. At best, I see him being a weak, timid conservative leader (which is preferable to Trudeau, but, still not very desirable). At worst, he's conservative in name only, and mostly enacts progressive policies.

Now, is the PPC likely to be more successful, at least in the short term? I don't know the answer to that. I'm skeptical, given the power of name branding alone. My original comment was about O'Toole specifically though, not Bernier, and I'd prefer you consider & respond to the thoughts on O'Toole.

That's funny, because I'm not a Bernier loyalist. I actually know very little about him. What little I've seen I've liked, but, that doesn't make me a loyalist. Sloan is who I would want to be the CPC leader.

And let's say, for the sake of argument, that O'Toole's so-called "strategy" (of alienating the conservative base to try to attract Leftist voters) works. Let's say he is elected as the prime minister, with a minority government.

Name some prominent conservative politicians, preferably from cultures closer to our own, who have in the recent past announced progressive-like policies as their platform, and then, after gaining power, went back on their word and acted like a real conservative, enacting conservative policies. Good luck naming them Ham.

And I'm not talking the no-name politicians who pop up and suddenly become popular for their strong conservative views. I can only think of one politician off hand (Macron), who is standing up in an unexpected way AND is prominent + previously acting like a Leftist.

I would go as far to say that the number of "conservative" politicians who went progressive and never came back far outweighs the number of conservative politicians who went progressive and DID come back.

Regardless of whether these "conservative" politicians thought they were "pretending" going in or not, once they've bowed to the progressive mob, good luck turning them back into full blown conservatives after the fact. There's good reasons for why this phenomena occurs.

While I understand why you think supporting O'Toole is a good idea Ham (for strategy reasons), I really don't believe that even if he wins that he will enact many conservative policies. At best, I see him being a weak, timid conservative leader (which is preferable to Trudeau, but, still not very desirable). At worst, he's conservative in name only, and mostly enacts progressive policies.

Now, is the PPC likely to be more successful, at least in the short term? I don't know the answer to that. I'm skeptical, given the power of name branding alone.

That's funny, because I'm not a Bernier loyalist. I actually know very little about him. What little I've seen I've liked, but, that doesn't make me a loyalist. Sloan is who I would want to be the CPC leader.

And let's say, for the sake of argument, that O'Toole's so-called "strategy" (of alienating the conservative base to try to attract Leftist voters) works. Let's say he is elected as the prime minister, with a minority government.

Name some prominent conservative politicians, preferably from cultures closer to our own, who have in the recent past announced progressive-like policies as their platform, and then, after gaining power, went back on their word and acted like a real conservative, enacting conservative policies. Good luck naming them Ham.

And I'm not talking the no-name politicians who pop up and suddenly become popular for their strong conservative views. I can only think of one politician off hand (Macron), who is standing up in an unexpected way AND is prominent + previously acting like a Leftist.

I would go as far to say that the number of "conservative" politicians who went progressive and never came back far outweighs the number of conservative politicians who went progressive and DID come back.

Regardless of whether these "conservative" politicians thought they were "pretending" going in or not, once they've bowed to the progressive mob, good luck turning them back into full blown conservatives after the fact. There's good reasons for why this phenomena occurs.

While I understand why you think supporting O'Toole is a good idea Ham (for strategy reasons), I really don't believe that even if he wins that he will enact many conservative policies. At best, I see him being a weak, timid conservative leader. At worst, he's conservative in name only, and mostly enacts progressive policies.

Now, is the PPC likely to be more successful, at least in the short term? I don't know the answer to that. I'm skeptical, given the power of name branding alone.

That's funny, because I'm not a Bernier loyalist. I actually know very little about him. What little I've seen I've liked, but, that doesn't make me a loyalist. Sloan is who I would want to be the CPC leader.

And let's say, for the sake of argument, that O'Toole's so-called "strategy" (of alienating the conservative base to try to attract Leftist voters) works. Let's say he is elected as the prime minister, with a minority government.

Name some prominent conservative politicians, preferably from cultures closer to our own, who have in the recent past announced progressive-like policies as their platform, and then, after gaining power, went back on their word and acted like a real conservative, enacting conservative policies. Good luck naming them Ham.

And I'm not talking the no-name politicians who pop up and suddenly become popular for their strong conservative views. I can only think of one politician off hand (Macron), who is standing up in an unexpected way AND is prominent + previously acting like a Leftist.

I would go as far to say that the number of "conservative" politicians who went progressive and never came back far outweighs the number of conservative politicians who went progressive and DID come back.

Regardless of whether these "conservative" politicians thought they were "pretending" going in or not, once they've bowed to the progressive mob, good luck turning them back into full blown conservatives after the fact. There are good reasons for why this phenomena occurs.

While I understand why you think supporting O'Toole is a good idea Ham (for strategy reasons), I really don't believe that even if he wins that he will enact many conservative policies.

That's funny, because I'm not a Bernier loyalist. I actually know very little about him. What little I've seen I've liked, but, that doesn't make me a loyalist. Sloan is who I would want to be the CPC leader.

And let's say, for the sake of argument, that O'Toole's so-called "strategy" (of alienating the conservative base to try to attract Leftist voters) works. Let's say he is elected as the prime minister, with a minority government.

Name some prominent conservative politicians, preferably from cultures closer to our own, who have in the recent past announced progressive-like policies as their platform, and then, after gaining power, went back on their word and acted like a real conservative, enacting conservative policies. Good luck naming them Ham.

And I'm not talking the no-name politicians who pop up and suddenly become popular for their strong conservative views. I can only think of one politician off hand (Macron), who is standing up in an unexpected way AND is prominent + previously acting like a Leftist.

I would go as far to say that the number of "conservative" politicians who went progressive and never came back far outweighs the number of conservative politicians who went progressive and DID come back.

Regardless of whether these "conservative" politicians thought they were "pretending" going in or not, once they've bowed to the progressive mob, good luck turning them back into full blown conservatives after the fact. There's good reasons for why this phenomena occurs.

While I understand why you think supporting O'Toole is a good idea Ham (for strategy reasons), I really don't believe that even if he wins that he will enact many conservative policies.

That's funny, because I'm not a Bernier loyalist. I actually know very little about him. What little I've seen I've liked, but, that doesn't make me a loyalist. Sloan is who I would want to be the CPC leader.

And let's say, for the sake of argument, that O'Toole's so-called "strategy" (of alienating the conservative base to try to attract Leftist voters) works. Let's say he is elected as the prime minister, with a minority government.

Name some prominent conservative politicians, preferably from cultures closer to our own, who have in the recent past announced progressive-like policies as their platform, and then, after gaining power, went back on their word and acted like a real conservative, enacting conservative policies. Good luck naming them Ham.

And I'm not talking the no-name politicians who pop up and suddenly become popular for their strong conservative views. I can only think of one politician off hand (Macron), who is standing up in an unexpected way AND is prominent + previously acting like a Leftist.

I would go as far to say that the number of "conservative" politicians who went progressive and never came back far outweighs the number of conservative politicians who went progressive and DID come back.

Regardless of whether these "conservative" politicians thought they were "pretending" going in or not, once they've bowed to the progressive mob, good luck turning them back into full blown conservatives after the fact. There are good reasons for why this phenomena occurs.

That's funny, because I'm not a Bernier loyalist. I actually know very little about him. What little I've seen I've liked, but, that doesn't make me a loyalist. Sloan is who I would want to be the CPC leader.

And let's say, for the sake of argument, that O'Toole's so-called "strategy" (of alienating the conservative base to try to attract Leftist voters) works. Let's say he is elected as the prime minister, with a minority government.

Name some prominent conservative politicians, preferably from cultures closer to our own, who have in the recent past announced progressive-like policies as their platform, and then, after gaining power, went back on their word and acted like a real conservative, enacting conservative policies. Good luck naming them Ham.

And I'm not talking the no-name politicians who pop up and suddenly become popular for their strong conservative views. I can only think of one politician off hand (Macron), who is standing up in an unexpected way AND is prominent + previously acting like a Leftist.

I would go as far to say that the number of "conservative" politicians who went progressive and never came back far outweighs the number of conservative politicians who went progressive and DID come back.

Regardless of whether these "conservative" politicians thought they were "pretending" going in or not, once they've bowed to the progressive mob, good luck turning them back into full blown conservatives after the fact. There's good reasons for why this phenomena occurs.

That's funny, because I'm not a Bernier loyalist. I actually know very little about him. What little I've seen I've liked, but, that doesn't make me a loyalist. Sloan is who I would want to be the CPC leader.

And let's say, for the sake of argument, that O'Toole's so-called "strategy" (of alienating the conservative base to try to attract Leftist voters) works. Let's say he is elected as the prime minister, with a minority government.

Name some prominent conservative politicians, preferably from cultures closer to our own, who have in the recent past announced progressive-like policies as their platform, and then, after gaining power, went back on their word and acted like a real conservative, enacting conservative policies. Good luck naming them Ham.

And I'm not talking the no-name politicians who pop up and suddenly become popular for their conservative views. I can only think of one politician off hand (Macron), who is standing up in an unexpected way AND is prominent + previously acting like a Leftist.

I would go as far to say that the number of "conservative" politicians who went progressive and never came back far outweighs the number of conservative politicians who went progressive and DID come back.

Regardless of whether these "conservative" politicians thought they were "pretending" going in or not, once they've bowed to the progressive mob, good luck turning them back into full blown conservatives after the fact. There's good reasons for why this phenomena occurs.

That's funny, because I'm not a Bernier loyalist. I actually know very little about him. What little I've seen I've liked, but, that doesn't make me a loyalist. Sloan is who I would want to be the CPC leader.

And let's say, for the sake of argument, that O'Toole's so-called "strategy" (of alienating the conservative base to try to attract Leftist voters) works. Let's say he is elected as the prime minister, with a minority government.

Name some prominent conservative politicians, preferably from cultures closer to our own, who have in the recent past announced progressive-like policies as their platform, and then, after gaining power, went back on their word and acted like a real conservative, enacting conservative policies. Good luck naming them Ham.

And I'm not talking the no-name politicians who pop up and suddenly become popular for their conservative views. I can only think of one politician off hand (Macron), who is standing up in an unexpected way AND is prominent + previously acting like a Leftist.

I would go as far to say that the number of "conservative" politicians who went progressive and never came back far outweighs the number of conservative politicians who went progressive and DID come back.

Regardless of whether these "conservative" politicians thought they were "pretending" going in or not, once they've bowed to the progressive mob, good luck turning them back into full blown conservatives after the fact. There's good reasons for why this phenomena occurs.

That's funny, because I'm not a Bernier loyalist. I actually know very little about him. What little I've seen I've liked, but, that doesn't make me a loyalist. Sloan is who I would want to be the CPC leader.

And let's say, for the sake of argument, that O'Toole's so-called "strategy" (of alienating the conservative base to try to attract Leftist voters) works. Let's say he is elected as the prime minister, with a minority government.

Name some prominent conservative politicians, preferably from cultures closer to our own, who have in the recent past announced progressive-like policies as their platform, and then, after gaining power, went back on their word and acted like a real conservative, enacting conservative policies. Good luck naming them Ham.

And I'm not talk the no-name politicians who pop up and suddenly become popular for their conservative views. I can only think of one politician off hand (Macron), who is standing up in an unexpected way AND is prominent + previously acting like a Leftist.

I would go as far to say that the number of "conservative" politicians who went progressive and never came back far outweighs the number of conservative politicians who went progressive and DID come back.

Regardless of whether these "conservative" politicians thought they were "pretending" going in or not, once they've bowed to the progressive mob, good luck turning them back into full blown conservatives after the fact. There's good reasons for why this phenomena occurs.

That's funny, because I'm not a Bernier loyalist. I actually know very little about him. What little I've seen I've liked, but, that doesn't make me a loyalist. Sloan is who I would want to be the CPC leader.

And let's say, for the sake of argument, that O'Toole's so-called "strategy" (of alienating the conservative base to try to attract Leftist voters) works. Let's say he is elected as the prime minister, with a minority government.

Name some prominent conservative politicians, preferably from cultures closer to our own, who have in the recent past announced progressive-like policies as their platform, and then, after gaining power, went back on their word and acted like a real conservative, enacting conservative policies. Good luck naming them Ham.

And I'm not talk the no-name politicians who pop up and suddenly become popular for their conservative views. I can only think of one politician off hand (Macron), who is standing up in an unexpected way.

I would go as far to say that the number of "conservative" politicians who went progressive and never came back far outweighs the number of conservative politicians who went progressive and DID come back.

Regardless of whether these "conservative" politicians thought they were "pretending" going in or not, once they've bowed to the progressive mob, good luck turning them back into full blown conservatives after the fact. There's good reasons for why this phenomena occurs.

That's funny, because I'm not a Bernier loyalist. I actually know very little about him. What little I've seen I've liked, but, that doesn't make me a loyalist. Sloan is who I would want to be the CPC leader.

And let's say, for the sake of argument, that O'Toole's so-called "strategy" (of alienating the conservative base to try to attract Leftist voters) works. Let's say he is elected as the prime minister, with a minority government.

Name some prominent conservative politicians, preferably from cultures closer to our own, who have in the recent past announced progressive-like policies as their platform, and then, after gaining power, went back on their word and acted like a real conservative, enacting conservative policies. Good luck Ham. I can only think of one politician (Macron) off hand, who is standing up in an unexpected way.

Regardless of whether these "conservative" politicians thought they were pretending going in or not, once they've bowed to the progressive mob, good luck turning them back into full blown conservatives after the fact.