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Spanish Flu wiped-out ENTIRE Haida settlements on the western coast of British Columbia

While it's true that the Spanish Flu had a bigger impact on the First Nations, I want to see prove that it wiped out "entie Haida settlements". According to the provincial government of BC around 800 to 1,200 First Nation members died during the Spanish Flu.

People were too sick or afraid to go out and there were quarantines.

And after the quarantine? Why didn't the agent for the reserve write the provincial or federal government about it?

All I claimed was that moving 200 bodies during a pandemic over a 100 years ago with no cars, no trucks, through the snow could not have happened in the time you're citing you could RUN the distance today.

????? What?

The school is a kilometer away from the city. A KILOMETER. That is not a big distance. Someone can walk backwards a kilometer within 15 minutes.

and has more proof than the cause of death and timeline than YOU have proposed; which was: .... NOTHING.

I already "proposed" causes and timelines of death. While you are arguing that these kids died all at once, I already stated that these kids were buried over decades.

A) 200+ kids buried over decades and nobody remembers B) 200+ First Nations malnourished kids died of Spanish Flu in 3 - 7 days.

Scenario A is more likely. And here is the proof. When I looked up the Spanish Flu deaths on First Nation reserves in BC you can find numbers between 800 and 1,200. I asked myself, surely 200 dead First Nation kids would have been quite the story. The indian agent would have written the provincial government about it. There should be letters. If not in the archives of the school, they should in the archives of the provincial government. And there are letters from the residential school in Kamloops to the provincial and federal government.

From May 1921:

https://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform/data2/dm09/d09/006003/c-8770/jpg/c-8770-00573.jpg

A request for money for the 5 extra students which were admitted to the school, because their parents died to the Flu. They also state how many children are currently at the school. 60 children are currently at the school.

Next letter is from October 1921:

https://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform/data2/dm09/d09/006003/c-8770/jpg/c-8770-00593.jpg

Students at the school: 68

Letter from the principal of the school, October 1922:

https://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform/data2/dm09/d09/006003/c-8770/jpg/c-8770-00653.jpg

The principal writes the Super Intendant about plans to expand the school. And that a school with enough place for less than 250 would be a mistake.

Letter from November 3rd 1922:

https://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform/data2/dm09/d09/006003/c-8770/jpg/c-8770-00652.jpg

The Deputy Super Intendant of BC thanks the principal for the numbers.

Letter from December 1925:

https://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform/data2/dm09/d09/006003/c-8770/jpg/c-8770-00613.jpg

The school now houses over 135 students. The government gives the OK to expand it to 150.

Letter from May 1926:

https://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform/data2/dm09/d09/006003/c-8770/jpg/c-8770-00661.jpg

A third wing is being built to accomodate even more students.

Letter from March 1930:

https://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform/data2/dm09/d09/006003/c-8770/jpg/c-8770-00706.jpg

The school is now home to 275 students.


As you can see, the school wasn't home to 200 students during the Spanish Flu epidemic. It house 60 to 80 students at that time. Only after the pandemic the school was expanded to about 150 students by 1925, 275 students by 1930. It peaked at over 500 students in the 1950.

200 kids couldn't have died during the Spanish Flu at the school, because the school didn't even have that many students. There is even a letter from a nun to the federal government where she "thanks the lord for the remedies which helped the kids during the epidemic". Speak, these kids at the school didn't die from the Spanish Flu.

https://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform/data2/dm09/d09/006003/c-8770/jpg/c-8770-00570.jpg

There was no former hospital. The school had only 60 students during the Spanish Flu pandemic. You two scenarios don't have any merit.

They could not speak a common language to discover names.

Kids got new names in residential schools as a way to integrate them in European society. Look up the official records of deaths at residential schools. They all have European sounding names.

And we all know now that the best way to keep them down was to pay them to live on Reserves to keep the dirty injuns in their place of their own free will.

They weren't paid. They were forced to live on these reserves.

Maybe. But if so, then what? Speculate about WHY and WHEN the died?

You are speculating. From "former hospitals" to "200 kids dead in 3 days because of the Spanish Flu". Not a single theory of yours holds ground. All you have is hot air. You provided absolutely no proof for any of your claims.

I want those sites dug. It is the only way to discover the truth.

The RCMP is already investigating the site. Just be aware, the average time till a human bones decompose to dust is about 80 years.

Also, you don't want the truth. If you wanted the truth you wouldn't make up impossible stories.

2 years ago
1 score
Reason: Original

Spanish Flu wiped-out ENTIRE Haida settlements on the western coast of British Columbia

While it's true that the Spanish Flu had a bigger impact on the First Nations, I want to see prove that it wiped out "entie Haida settlements". According to the provincial government of BC around 800 to 1,200 First Nation members died during the Spanish Flu.

People were too sick or afraid to go out and there were quarantines.

And after the quarantine? Why didn't the agent for the reserve write the provincial or federal government about it?

All I claimed was that moving 200 bodies during a pandemic over a 100 years ago with no cars, no trucks, through the snow could not have happened in the time you're citing you could RUN the distance today.

????? What?

The school is a kilometer away from the city. A KILOMETER. That is not a big distance. Someone can walk backwards a kilometer within 15 minutes.

and has more proof than the cause of death and timeline than YOU have proposed; which was: .... NOTHING.

I already "proposed" causes and timelines of death. While you are arguing that these kids died all at once, I already stated that these kids were buried over decades.

A) 200+ kids buried over decades and nobody remembers B) 200+ First Nations malnourished kids died of Spanish Flu in 3 - 7 days.

Scenario A is more likely. And here is the proof. When I looked up the Spanish Flu deaths on First Nation reserves in BC you can find numbers between 800 and 1,200. I asked myself, surely 200 dead First Nation kids would have been quite the story. The indian agent would have written the provincial government about it. There should be letters. If not in the archives of the school, they should in the archives of the provincial government. And there are letters from the residential school in Kamloops to the provincial and federal government.

From May 1921:

https://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform/data2/dm09/d09/006003/c-8770/jpg/c-8770-00573.jpg

A request for money for the 5 extra students which were admitted to the school, because their parents died to the Flu. They also state how many children are currently at the school. 60 children are currently at the school.

Next letter is from October 1921:

https://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform/data2/dm09/d09/006003/c-8770/jpg/c-8770-00593.jpg

Students at the school: 68

Letter from the principal of the school, October 1922:

https://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform/data2/dm09/d09/006003/c-8770/jpg/c-8770-00653.jpg

The principal writes the Super Intendant about plans to expand the school. And that a school with enough place for less than 250 would be a mistake.

Letter from November 3rd 1922:

https://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform/data2/dm09/d09/006003/c-8770/jpg/c-8770-00652.jpg

The Deputy Super Intendant of BC thanks the principal for the numbers.

Letter from December 1925:

https://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform/data2/dm09/d09/006003/c-8770/jpg/c-8770-00613.jpg

The school now houses over 135 students. The government gives the OK to expand it to 150.

Letter from May 1926:

https://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform/data2/dm09/d09/006003/c-8770/jpg/c-8770-00661.jpg

A third wing is being built to accomodate even more students.

Letter from March 1930:

https://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform/data2/dm09/d09/006003/c-8770/jpg/c-8770-00706.jpg

The school is now home to 275 students.


As you can see, the school wasn't home to 200 students during the Spanish Flu epidemic. It house 60 to 80 students at that time. Only after the pandemic the school was expanded to about 150 students by 1925, 275 students by 1930. It peaked at over 500 students in the 1950.

200 kids couldn't have died during the Spanish Flu at the school, because the school didn't even have that many students. There is even a letter from a nun to the federal government where she "thanks the lord for the remedies which helped the kids during the epidemic". Speak, these kids at the school didn't die from the Spanish Flu.

https://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform/data2/dm09/d09/006003/c-8770/jpg/c-8770-00570.jpg

There was no former hospital. The school had only 60 students during the Spanish Flu pandemic. You two scenarios don't have any merit.

They could not speak a common language to discover names.

Kids got new names in residential schools as a way to integrate them in European society.

And we all know now that the best way to keep them down was to pay them to live on Reserves to keep the dirty injuns in their place of their own free will.

They weren't paid. They were forced to live on these reserves.

Maybe. But if so, then what? Speculate about WHY and WHEN the died?

You are speculating. From former hospitals to a 200 kids dead in 3 days because of the Spanish Flu. Not a single theory of yours holds ground. All you have is hot air.

I want those sites dug. It is the only way to discover the truth.

The RCMP is already investigating the site. Just be aware, the average time till a human bones decompose to dust is about 80 years.

Also, you don't want the truth. If you wanted the truth you wouldn't make up impossible stories.

2 years ago
1 score