I don't follow this Adams fella anyway, I don't care for his products or his sites, and I don't claim that Adams is right or wrong about anything. If he provides data thats useful, fine, if it leads nowhere, well more fool on him.

William Ray, havent heard of him before I found the site, but you said: "he appears to be supporting a citizen's right to say anything he wants to in a public forum, but apparently anything the government does to try to suppress harmful bullshit public speech is worth going to war for: "We are at war it is time we act like it.".

Supporting a citizens right to say anything he likes in a public forum? I have no problem with that, excepting libel/slander, incitement, uttering threats to kill/harm etc. Anything else is fair game. Especially so directed at government, 1st amendment and all. I cant get inside his head, but one would assume he means this.

To other citizens? No problem with that no. There is no such thing as 'hate' speech. There is just speech. 'Hating' someone is not a crime. Saying hateful things to them (sans the above) is not and should not be a crime.

If someone wants to go up to someone in the street and say every insult and slur to them under the sun? Fine. Wether it caucasian, black, oriental, south asian. Have at it. Obviously thats an asshole thing to do, but stick and stones and all that.

The line is crossed on application of force against a person or saying one of the above things like libel. Plenty things have been said even in comedy that are offensive to at least 1 person.

As for Ronnie, gain never heard of him until I found the site, you posit: "what's wrong with giving "young people the resources to challenge violent extremism in all its forms"? "

Well, nothing, on it's face. One would have to see these 'resources'. Why are we giving young people 'resources' for this? This is the job of the Police, RCMP, FBI, CIA etc. If...we assume 'extremeism' is things like Radical Islamic terrorism, Far left riots (Antifa), Far right activity such as the KKK (who are basically non existent at this point). Who else?

Irish mafia/terrorism? IRA? Been underground for decades.

I would imagine that 'young people' have better things to occupy themselves with than 'challenging violent extremism'. I'm not so young anymore and sure as heck me or my children would stay out of that. Call 911 and let the experts handle it. If my children come home complaining that Johnny or Jane called them a so and so today or X was saying ist or ism things to someone I say suck it up, people have been saying insults and slurs since the ancients to each other. If they complain they got hit? Next time they hit back.

By young people 'challenging' this, how? Going up to the manchester arena islamic suicide bomber in Manchester and 'havnig a word'? Trying to talk down that nutter that shot up that black church a few years back? Young people using their cars to box in those islamic nutters fleeing from the cops in California resulting in a shootout a few years back?

Or, more likely, is it 'challenging' people saying mean things to them or online. One would assume all the 'ist's' and 'isms'.

This IDS would be better off encouraging young people to go into the armed forces, or trades or learn practical skills, or giving them career advice on getting into the work force ASAP, growing a thick skin and toughening up, instead of telling kids to march around protesting this or that. Kids filling their heads currently with useless degrees like left handed puppetry or German Polka studies and racking up 10s of thousands of dollars in debt.

Those years spent doing that they could be in work learning way more about the human condition than wasting time on non STEM degrees.

I don't follow this Adams fella anyway, I don't care for his products or his sites, and I don't claim that Adams is right or wrong about anything. If he provides data thats useful, fine, if it leads nowhere, well more fool on him.

William Ray, havent heard of him before I found the site, but you said: "he appears to be supporting a citizen's right to say anything he wants to in a public forum, but apparently anything the government does to try to suppress harmful bullshit public speech is worth going to war for: "We are at war it is time we act like it.".

Supporting a citizens right to say anything he likes in a public forum? I have no problem with that, excepting libel/slander, incitement, uttering threats to kill/harm etc. Anything else is fair game. Especially so directed at government, 1st amendment and all. I cant get inside his head, but one would assume he means this.

To other citizens? No problem with that no. There is no such thing as 'hate' speech. There is just speech. 'Hating' someone is not a crime. Saying hateful things to them (sans the above) is not and should not be a crime.

If someone wants to go up to someone in the street and say every insult and slur to them under the sun? Fine. Wether it caucasian, black, oriental, south asian. Have at it. Obviously thats an asshole thing to do, but stick and stones and all that.

The line is crossed on application of force against a person or saying one of the above things like libel. Plenty things have been said even in comedy that are offensive to at least 1 person.

As for Ronnie, gain never heard of him until I found the site, you posit: "what's wrong with giving "young people the resources to challenge violent extremism in all its forms"? "

Well, nothing, on it's face. One would have to see these 'resources'. Why are we giving young people 'resources' for this? This is the job of the Police, RCMP, FBI, CIA etc. If...we assume 'extremeism' is things like Radical Islamic terrorism, Far left riots (Antifa), Far right activity such as the KKK (who are basically non existent at this point). Who else?

Irish mafia/terrorism? IRA? Been underground for decades.

I would imagine that 'young people' have better things to occupy themselves with than 'challenging violent extremism'.

By young people 'challenging' this, how? Going up to the manchester arena islamic suicide bomber in Manchester and 'havnig a word'? Trying to talk down that nutter that shot up that black church a few years back? Young people using their cars to box in those islamic nutters fleeing from the cops in California resulting in a shootout a few years back?

Or, more likely, is it 'challenging' people saying mean things to them or online. One would assume all the 'ist's' and 'isms'.

This IDS would be better off encouraging young people to go into the armed forces, or trades or learn practical skills, or giving them career advice on getting into the work force ASAP, growing a thick skin and toughening up, instead of telling kids to march around protesting this or that. Kids filling their heads currently with useless degrees like left handed puppetry or German Polka studies and racking up 10s of thousands of dollars in debt.

Those years spent doing that they could be in work learning way more about the human condition than wasting time on non STEM degrees.