Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. I've been doing this for years. I know what false flaggers look like, and I know what legit, 4chan 1488er edgelods look like.
And at the end of the day, it doesn't even matter. They're both gonna be banned.
The only reason to object is if you're one of those false false flaggers or a legit 1488'er. So which one are you?
Neither, i’m trying to understand your behavior, that’s it. Why do you think these people are brigading? Why not just make their own forum? It doesnt make sense to me why this wouldnt be a ff. What other motivation would they have other than forum sliding, which wouldnt work here since theres no cultural overlap. Thanks for answering my questions, i’m sure youre a busy person.
Really? It's that difficult to understand why I want to get rid of this shit? Please.
Why do you think these people are brigading?
They're not brigading. They're colonizing.
Why not just make their own forum?
Because they'd never be able to get more than a few subscribers on their own by being upfront about who/what they are. General conservative/right-wing forums appeal to a much wider audience than actual neo-nazi groups do.
This is what they've always done. They seek out existing right-wing forums which will tolerate them and when they find one, they flood in en masse, scare away the normal people and take over. That's pretty much where we're at now.
This is the same model they apply IRL. They can't rally significant support on their own merits, so they co-opt broader conservative support bases, usually through deceptive means, to make their numbers look larger.
Example: The "Unite The Right" rally in Charlottesville. They named it that in order to attract people from across the conservative spectrum, because if they'd called themselves a "Klan/Neo-Nazi rally", barely anyone would show up. So they call themselves "Unite the Right", wait for all the regular conservatives to show up, then out come the swastika flags.
Example: The Canadian Nationalist Party. When they went to register with Elections Canada as an actual party, they needed a certain number of card-carrying members to qualify, but couldn't recruit them by being up front about who/what their party was. So they scrubbed all the white nationalist type content from their webpage, and then went into conservative forums like r/metacanada presenting themselves as a run-of-the-mill conservative party in order to trick people into signing up. People sent them their IRL personal info and had their names put on a publicly available member's list for a neo-nazi party that they unwittingly joined because it was sold to them as a regular conservative party. And then they all got doxxed by the media.
They had to recruit under false pretenses for the same reason they have to co-opt existing right-wing forums - because they can't build their own support bases on their own merit. They have to co-opt existing ones. And they're trying to co--opt this one, and you're fucking defending them.
Thank you so much for typing all of this out. It really helps those of us who dont really understand what it is mods go through to keep this place nice, and Im sorry that this is such a battle. Goes to show how special and valuable omegacanada is, and i have more respect for you now that theres more context. Might even be a good sticky to get other people on your side. Thanks again and please accept my sincere apologies for thinking I had a clue how hard your job really is. It makes me want to be less troll-y myself. Best of luck to hammy, I will try to be a better steward of the community. Hopefully that helps make your life a bit easier
Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. I've been doing this for years. I know what false flaggers look like, and I know what legit, 4chan 1488er edgelods look like.
And at the end of the day, it doesn't even matter. They're both gonna be banned.
The only reason to object is if you're one of those false false flaggers or a legit 1488'er. So which one are you?
Neither, i’m trying to understand your behavior, that’s it. Why do you think these people are brigading? Why not just make their own forum? It doesnt make sense to me why this wouldnt be a ff. What other motivation would they have other than forum sliding, which wouldnt work here since theres no cultural overlap. Thanks for answering my questions, i’m sure youre a busy person.
Really? It's that difficult to understand why I want to get rid of this shit? Please.
They're not brigading. They're colonizing.
Because they'd never be able to get more than a few subscribers on their own by being upfront about who/what they are. General conservative/right-wing forums appeal to a much wider audience than actual neo-nazi groups do.
This is what they've always done. They seek out existing right-wing forums which will tolerate them and when they find one, they flood in en masse, scare away the normal people and take over. That's pretty much where we're at now.
This is the same model they apply IRL. They can't rally significant support on their own merits, so they co-opt broader conservative support bases, usually through deceptive means, to make their numbers look larger.
Example: The "Unite The Right" rally in Charlottesville. They named it that in order to attract people from across the conservative spectrum, because if they'd called themselves a "Klan/Neo-Nazi rally", barely anyone would show up. So they call themselves "Unite the Right", wait for all the regular conservatives to show up, then out come the swastika flags.
Example: The Canadian Nationalist Party. When they went to register with Elections Canada as an actual party, they needed a certain number of card-carrying members to qualify, but couldn't recruit them by being up front about who/what their party was. So they scrubbed all the white nationalist type content from their webpage, and then went into conservative forums like r/metacanada presenting themselves as a run-of-the-mill conservative party in order to trick people into signing up. People sent them their IRL personal info and had their names put on a publicly available member's list for a neo-nazi party that they unwittingly joined because it was sold to them as a regular conservative party. And then they all got doxxed by the media.
They had to recruit under false pretenses for the same reason they have to co-opt existing right-wing forums - because they can't build their own support bases on their own merit. They have to co-opt existing ones. And they're trying to co--opt this one, and you're fucking defending them.
Thank you so much for typing all of this out. It really helps those of us who dont really understand what it is mods go through to keep this place nice, and Im sorry that this is such a battle. Goes to show how special and valuable omegacanada is, and i have more respect for you now that theres more context. Might even be a good sticky to get other people on your side. Thanks again and please accept my sincere apologies for thinking I had a clue how hard your job really is. It makes me want to be less troll-y myself. Best of luck to hammy, I will try to be a better steward of the community. Hopefully that helps make your life a bit easier