Maybe we should be Demanding Answers Now instead of waiting to bitch about the results Latter.
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My sister is a registered CPC member. She went to a selection committee for her riding. So who gets selected? Whoever the registered members vote for. She said the riding had two choices: an Italian guy, strait-laced, talked about needing a plan to beat the Liberals. Wanted to focus on economic issues. The other guy? Vietnamese. Came in with an entourage chanting his name. His DAUGHTER gave the speech because the dude could barely speak English.
...And the Vietnamese guy won.
I'm still pissed my riding selected a bible thumping farmer over a local business man with impeccable public speaking skills.
SoCons are cancer
Currently casting our Vote is the equivalent of a "Participaction Award" in the Election Process.
LMFAO at the posts on this website. People actually think elections are legitimate still and it blows my mind.
It's a one party system folks. Time to wake the fuck up already
As Voters, if we do not regain control of the system all of the Parties operate under, nothing really matters.
As it stands, the PPC could be bought and paid for just like all the other Parties and stab us in the back.
No he's not. MacKay was the anointed one. The CPC establishment has been grooming him for PM since the early 2000's. Deputy CPC leader, Wartime Defence Minister, Foreign Affairs Minister, Justice Minister. That is the grooming process for a party's PM pick. O'Toole is a nobody by comparison. He's only even been in politics since 2012. He's not even in the party elder's succession plan.
O'Toole winning the party leadership contest was an upset for the party establishment. And it also proves the process isn't rigged. If it were, the anointed one (MacKay) would have won.
You want to talk about party leadership being rigged? Why hasn't Berner held a leadership election after leading the party to a disastrous zero seats, and even losing his own seat last election? It can't get any more rigged than a party led autocratically by a dictator for whom the entire party is one big personal vanity project. PPCers are in no position to be accusing the CPC of having a rigged leadership process.
I mean how can you not see the absurd levels of hypocrisy in accusing the CPC's leadership election process of being rigged, while your own party's leader refuses to step down and hold a leadership election? What you're accusing the CPC of secretly doing, Bernier is doing right out in open - i.e. running a party dictatorship.
That happens in literally every party. That's how it's done. The party management has editorial control over who gets to run under their masthead.
Congratulations. You discovered what the role of a party leader is. The leader is in charge and gets to set agendas for the party. It's not a "party" if the members aren't acting as a team. And someone has to lead that team from the top down. Again, this happens in every party. That's how it's done.
More importantly, nobody's being "silenced". Those candidates can say whatever they want - as independents. If they want to be part of the CPC however, they have to subordinate their independent agendas to the team agenda. That's the whole point of being party - to work as a team towards a collective goal.
If Mackay was the anointed one he would be the Leader of the CPC. O'Toole is in power due to a new behind the scenes Power Structure backing him. MacKay left the barn empty to long, things changed. I have first hand knowledge of O'Toole specifically requesting Candidates to run in openings only to be slaughtered to ensure another was put in place. He plays dirty and he rammed MacKay out. You forget where I live, in MacKay's backyard.
I agree 100% and I personally have no real desire to support Max and the PPC due to this exact reason. I have quoted your statements in prior posts, in agreement. I have also made reference that unless Max made drastic changes we would end up in the exact same situation we are in with the CPC (bought and paid for) with the PPC if a miracle happened and they received any substantial votes.
I'm going to assume you are referring to PPC supporters in general as I have stated countless times that I am not a PPC supporter. With that said, I do not disagree it is absurd to place faith blindly in someone who has done nothing to Officiate his Party in any proper fashion or expose how Scheer or O'Toole actually obtained Leadership.
and my very specific point is The Parties, all of them, have decided they do not answer to the voters any longer. They all have it in their heads that WE answer to them. My answer to that belief, Like Fuck We Do. THEY work for us and as someone eloquently said "You're Fired" should apply to our "duly selected" Representatives.
NO it is not. They are the speaker for the Party. Hence WHY we call our Prime Minister a "Prime Minister". The position was not meant to be above other Ministers as we do not Elect a Prime Minister. Parties have taken it upon themselves to install defacto Dictatorships. The individual Candidates, in numbers, should be able to override an out of control Leader as they are our voice and they were elected to hold individual power.
Yes they are being "silenced". That is exactly what being relegated to "independent" status means. "Subordinate" has absolutely no place in a democracy where our Representatives are Equal. Otherwise it means our country is Owned by the Party in Power and whomever is paying them off.
In the end, I only have 1 question for you. Do you believe in the Traditional Values of the CPC or do you blindly support the CPC no matter what they do? I am not being facetious.
I believe in the Values. If the party does not any longer then they need to take a good hard look in the mirror.
We're talking about reality here, not made-up qanon conspiracy fantasyland.
You just made that up out of thin fucking air. Stop making up fantasies in your head and passing them off as reality. You shouldn't believe in stuff you made up in your head just because it sounds good. It's not healthy. There is zero indication that some "new behind the scenes Power Structure" has appeared and rigged the leadership election for O'toole. Zero.
The simpler explanation is the election wasn't rigged, and O'Toole won fair and square. That is the default assumption until you can provide so much as a shred of proof to substantiate your claim about "new secret power structures" rigging the election for O'toole. You're talking out your ass. Stop it. The world has had enough of this bullshit qanon conspiracy crap. And where the fuck has any of that nonsense gotten us? Nowhere.
No, they are the leader of the party. Hence the title "party leader". They are in charge. Who the hell told you they're just the speaker? A party is a team and every team has a leader.
Are you kidding? The title is called "PRIME" minister. That is absolutely meant to be above the other ministers. It's in the name itself. He also gets to hire and fire the other ministers at his leisure. That literally makes him their boss. Where the hell are you getting your information?
The prime minister is not your boss as a private citizen but he is absolutely the boss of everyone in his party caucus (as party leader), and the boss of all ministers and all government employees (as prime minister).
Not once did I refer to any Q related stuff. I would suggest you Do Not make things up yourself. Any Q related stuff I do entertain, I have migrated to GAW as the place I discuss that.
All Party Leaders achieve their mantle because of backing from Corporate Interests and personal Connections. As you stated, MacKay was the "anointed" one and you were correct. MacKay walked away for to long of a period and that backing of the CPC changed. You act as if this is a Conspiracy Theory. It is fact. If you would like a microcosmic example of this, please check out New Brunswick's Premier and his direct Connections with Irving Oil.
I would suggest you discontinue throwing assumptions around on my state of mental health. My toleration for that has ended. If you want to challenge me, by all means but I'm more than tired of having my mental acuity attacked as a method of gaining leverage in an discussion with you. Especially when you are not aware of my Education & Background OR any of my IRL connections. If you want respect from me, you will also give it.
Prime and Premier; of first importance.
as in a series of equal parts.
Manipulated is the better word.
Yes, there are times I am limited on my examples. I have no wish to directly DOX myself. The examples I do offer can be verified by checking out similar behaviors in other cities and provinces. It is not isolated.
YOU never answer questions posed directly to YOU. Don't expect me to be redirected as easily as others.
Now that I have wasted enough of my morning on this, I have work to do.
No but this is Q level craziness - just assuming as fact, without a shred of evidence, that the CPC leadership election was rigged and then making up backstories about new secret powerbroker cabals to rationalize it.
MacKay was only out of politics for one term. Again, you're making shit up. If the CPC establishment weren't backing MacKay, why would the party's most senior candidate in the running (Poilievre - another one who's being groomed with senior positions) have stepped aside and rescinded his candidacy 48 hours before MacKay announced his candidacy? Because the party establishment has a succession plan. They always do. And O'toole was never part of it.
Are you seriously still trying to argue that party leaders aren't the leaders of their parties?
This makes it clear you don't have very good understanding of Canadian politics. I'd suggest you stop trying to lecture others on what's what when you don't even understand the basics.
I clarified, Manipulated not rigged. Not cabals, Corporate influence.
You are referring to an Individual who stepped aside for MacKay and what happened to Poilievre now btw? Poilievre never put himself behind O'Toole and he has a price to pay for that. Again I will say, if MacKay was the anointed one, he would be Leader of the CPC right now.
By all means, if you wish to remain under Party Dictatorship instead of a democracy, have at it. I do not.
? You may suggest whatever you wish. As you commonly do, I hold no obligation to take your suggestion, in fact, I decline.
Please continue to sidestep my Question...
Which you likewise just made up out of thin air.
Just because your guy lost doesn't mean the election was "rigged" or "manipulated" or whatever you want to call it.
Just fucking stop. For the love of god come back to realty. This unhinged, baseless conspiracy crap gets us nowhere.
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I bet if Scooby and the gang were to rip off O'Toole's face mask they would find Gerald Butts underneath.
It would end the same (bought and paid for by some Corporate Group) but I like your thinking ??