"Oh my gosh, how could people in Nazi Germany just go along with it all? I'd never have been complicit."
One year later...
"OH MY GOD EVERYONE NEEDS TO GET THE VAXXINE, SEGREGATE AND KILL EVERYONE WHO DOESN'T GET THE VAXXINE, THEY ARE THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE THEY WANT YOUR GRANDPARENTS DEAD, PHONE THE POLICE ON ANTI-VAXXERS" WE NEED PAPERS TO IDENTIFY WHO THE ANTI-VAXXERS ARE SO WE CAN SEGREGATE THEM FROM SOCIETY
Additionally, Ontario is the trial state for a lot of this.
There are technical reasons that lots of betas / new software get tried out in Toronto first (such as Google street labs, which got canned). It’s a first world, large city, with broad demographics. So from a corporate perspective, it serves as a great litmus test to see how different things demoed there will be received in other markets.
I think this is why Ontario has been the tip of the spear as far as policy goes. See what they can get away with, then roll out to other provinces.
The official reasoning for this, is likely that 70% is the threshold for herd immunity, though in the US that was supposed to be natural infection + vaccination. The other aspect is that the threshold isn’t actually established yet - so when strains break through or people keep getting infected, they’ll raise the percentage and say that it’s due to “new science”.
Secondly, while there are some cases of children transmitting the virus, there’s a decent bit of evidence that it doesn’t spread as well in children, especially younger children. Something to do with T cells and the thalamus.
So there’s an argument to be made that vaccinating children isn’t going to have a big impact on reducing spread. The other element is that children are the lowest risk group for infection, and so distribution should focus on inoculating adults as they are more likely to have negative outcomes.
The third factor is that if our demographics are like America, we’ll see voluntary vaccination heavily taper off around the 65% mark. That’s about the percentage that want it. So if you tie full rights to 70%, you have to get a good chunk of the people who don’t want it to take the shot.
This is part of the reason they’re saying “be social, tell people you’ve gotten it, if you know somebody who is hesitant get them to talk to a friend who had it”. The aim is to put social pressure on those who don’t want it to get it, that the vaccine is our “ticket to freedom” (expect to hear this phrase more). Of course, once more of the “hesitant” people get it, their will be greater social pressure among those people to give in and get it too.
In fairness, it’s a different disease. Measles for example can have epidemic outbreaks with 90% vaccination. With covid, there’s very little long term data. I expect this goal posts to be moved in a few months.
This is the give phase in the give and take. We’ll be locking back down in the fall I imagine.
Israel had a very restrictive green pass program (vaccine passport under another name). I checked yesterday - they only got to 55% double vaccinated despite that.
I don't think Ontario or Alberta is going to get to 70 %.
There was some talk about camps being built in Alberta for those who refuse to vaccinate. It will be enough to get in proximity to someone deemed positive, to become “possibly infected”. Next step is take away kids and allow parents to pick them only after vaccination
Additionally, Ontario is the trial state for a lot of this.
There are technical reasons that lots of betas / new software get tried out in Toronto first (such as Google street labs, which got canned). It’s a first world, large city, with broad demographics. So from a corporate perspective, it serves as a great litmus test to see how different things demoed there will be received in other markets.
I think this is why Ontario has been the tip of the spear as far as policy goes. See what they can get away with, then roll out to other provinces.
What happens?
We get more coverage of politicians screeching "jUsT TwO MoRe wEeKs" over and over, on every platform, 34 hours a day 12 days a week.
And of course, woke tiktok vids of soys celebrating their jab.
The official reasoning for this, is likely that 70% is the threshold for herd immunity, though in the US that was supposed to be natural infection + vaccination. The other aspect is that the threshold isn’t actually established yet - so when strains break through or people keep getting infected, they’ll raise the percentage and say that it’s due to “new science”.
Secondly, while there are some cases of children transmitting the virus, there’s a decent bit of evidence that it doesn’t spread as well in children, especially younger children. Something to do with T cells and the thalamus.
So there’s an argument to be made that vaccinating children isn’t going to have a big impact on reducing spread. The other element is that children are the lowest risk group for infection, and so distribution should focus on inoculating adults as they are more likely to have negative outcomes.
The third factor is that if our demographics are like America, we’ll see voluntary vaccination heavily taper off around the 65% mark. That’s about the percentage that want it. So if you tie full rights to 70%, you have to get a good chunk of the people who don’t want it to take the shot.
This is part of the reason they’re saying “be social, tell people you’ve gotten it, if you know somebody who is hesitant get them to talk to a friend who had it”. The aim is to put social pressure on those who don’t want it to get it, that the vaccine is our “ticket to freedom” (expect to hear this phrase more). Of course, once more of the “hesitant” people get it, their will be greater social pressure among those people to give in and get it too.
The jets literally had a seat cover ad saying “Want these seats back? Get vaccinated” fucking disgusting.
I am a human, not a guinea pig.
In fairness, it’s a different disease. Measles for example can have epidemic outbreaks with 90% vaccination. With covid, there’s very little long term data. I expect this goal posts to be moved in a few months.
This is the give phase in the give and take. We’ll be locking back down in the fall I imagine.
I'm just going to be cautiously optimistic
I'm with you
If anyone has actually taken any notice of the don’t gather with people inside your own home thing, anywhere in Canada, they are part of the problem.
It’s just a way to interdict and discourage the public from getting together with other people and comparing notes on what the gov is up to.
Freedom of assembly baby. Only the other week I had about 73 people at my house.
I've been having friends over all the time. Don't care about this shit.
Israel had a very restrictive green pass program (vaccine passport under another name). I checked yesterday - they only got to 55% double vaccinated despite that.
I don't think Ontario or Alberta is going to get to 70 %.
There was some talk about camps being built in Alberta for those who refuse to vaccinate. It will be enough to get in proximity to someone deemed positive, to become “possibly infected”. Next step is take away kids and allow parents to pick them only after vaccination
They’ll say the science has changed, new variant, new data, and if we get this last 10% then we can all have our rights back
Something like that, but even the end of the three step process is nothing near fully open, it's basically still restricted.
Western Seperation or move on to the US of A