Haven't heard anything back from our statistics experts, so I'll just repeat a few things. The major take-away is that getting covid is way riskier than getting vaccinated, so don't run around with your hair on fire over myocarditis/pericarditis.
Almost 60 million shots, followed by almost 1,400 heart events (0.002%), some of which would have occurred anyway since there are a lot of old people involved in that 60 million, and there is as yet no direct connection has yet been established to the vaccines, just a mild statistical bump. Furthermore very few of these events are fatal or cause lasting damage - keep that in mind and remember that roughly one in 50 people who test positive for the virus dies.
It says "Results: There were 19,740,741 doses of mRNA vaccines administered and 297 reports ofmyocarditis/pericarditis meeting our inclusion criteria. "
What are the odds that, first, you will get covid and, second, that you will be hopitalized or die?
Compare that to - You get vaccinated. What are the odds that you will have a vaccine injury (under-reported, as you can easily find online and, anecdotally, I know two people that have had vaccine injuries that were not reported). And, once vaccinated, since you can still get covid and be hospitalized and die, what are the odds of this still happening?
The odds in both of these scenarios are a "tiny percentage," as you put it. However, we're not being told what it is. For someone that is not blindly doing exactly what media, governments, and Pfizer are telling me, if I had these stats and the vaccine had lower odds, I would take the pfizer vaccine.
Giving stats like this is how someone like me would make the decision on whether to take the vaccine. Shaming and trying to get me excluded from society will not work.
I don’t need to support my statement. I’m talking about basic stats, as taught in an introductory stats course. You misunderstood what i was saying, then.
No he doesn't. He's saying that as long as covid infection rate is less than 100%, you cannot directly compare side effects between covid and the preventative vaccine. This isn't hard. If 50% of people get covid, then the vaccine needs to have 50% of the incidence rate of side effects when compared to covid.
Haven't heard anything back from our statistics experts, so I'll just repeat a few things. The major take-away is that getting covid is way riskier than getting vaccinated, so don't run around with your hair on fire over myocarditis/pericarditis.
"...the available data indicate that the majority of affected individuals, even if hospitalized, experience relatively mild illness, respond well to conservative treatment, and recover quickly. It is also important to consider that the risk of cardiac complications, including myocarditis, has been shown to be substantially increased following SARS-CoV-2 infection, and that it is higher following infection than after vaccination." https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/news/2021/10/statement-from-the-council-of-chief-medical-officers-of-health-ccmoh-update-on-covid-19-vaccines-and-the-risk-of-myocarditis-and-pericarditis.html
"The known risks of COVID-19 illness (including complications like myocarditis/pericarditis) outweigh the potential harms of having an adverse reaction following mRNA vaccination, including the rare risk of myocarditis or pericarditis which despite hospitalization, is relatively mild and resolves quickly in most individuals." https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/immunization/national-advisory-committee-on-immunization-naci/rapid-response-recommendation-use-covid-19-vaccines-individuals-aged-12-years-older-myocarditis-pericarditis-reported-following-mrna-vaccines.html
As of Nov 24 2021 there have been 59,170,170 vaccinations (https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccine-safety/#seriousNonSerious). As of Nov 12 2021 there had been 1,393 reports of cardiovascular events of any type, including myocarditis/pericarditis (https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccine-safety/#a6)
Almost 60 million shots, followed by almost 1,400 heart events (0.002%), some of which would have occurred anyway since there are a lot of old people involved in that 60 million, and there is as yet no direct connection has yet been established to the vaccines, just a mild statistical bump. Furthermore very few of these events are fatal or cause lasting damage - keep that in mind and remember that roughly one in 50 people who test positive for the virus dies.
It says "Results: There were 19,740,741 doses of mRNA vaccines administered and 297 reports ofmyocarditis/pericarditis meeting our inclusion criteria. "
That's 0.0015% - an incredibly tiny percentage. And most of those few cases are not serious: "Most patients with myocarditis or pericarditis who received care responded well to medicine and rest and felt better quickly." https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html
Compare that to the percentage of people who die if they catch covid: look at the "Closed Cases" numbers on https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/canada/
You love stats, eh?
This is how to properly evaluate stats here:
What are the odds that, first, you will get covid and, second, that you will be hopitalized or die?
Compare that to - You get vaccinated. What are the odds that you will have a vaccine injury (under-reported, as you can easily find online and, anecdotally, I know two people that have had vaccine injuries that were not reported). And, once vaccinated, since you can still get covid and be hospitalized and die, what are the odds of this still happening?
The odds in both of these scenarios are a "tiny percentage," as you put it. However, we're not being told what it is. For someone that is not blindly doing exactly what media, governments, and Pfizer are telling me, if I had these stats and the vaccine had lower odds, I would take the pfizer vaccine.
Giving stats like this is how someone like me would make the decision on whether to take the vaccine. Shaming and trying to get me excluded from society will not work.
You don't support your statements. You need some links.
I don’t need to support my statement. I’m talking about basic stats, as taught in an introductory stats course. You misunderstood what i was saying, then.
Not interested in your questions as long as they are coming out of thin air.
You claim there are an assortment of odds. Waiting for you to substantiate that.
Basic science and stats 101. You want me to link to some college courses?
Nope. Instead of asking me questions I'd like you to state clearly what it is you are trying to say.
No he doesn't. He's saying that as long as covid infection rate is less than 100%, you cannot directly compare side effects between covid and the preventative vaccine. This isn't hard. If 50% of people get covid, then the vaccine needs to have 50% of the incidence rate of side effects when compared to covid.
Open a book bro.
You say that so glibly. The numbers are out there. Why don't you run them for us by way of illustration?
You're so fucking stupid you can't understand an incredibly simple point. Don't reproduce.
You're one of those "I can't explain it. You just have to believe me." people, aren't you.