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– tuchodi -4 points 2 years ago +2 / -6

I guess we'll have to wait and see what proportion of the vaxxed/unvaxxed wind up in the hospital.

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– Ontarian 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

According to you covid has been spreading like wildfire through the unvaxxed meaning most will have some degree of natural immunity. South African data suggests wide spread natural immunity not vaccination is the cause of the low levels of hospitalizations and deaths. There are a lot of fat, vitamin D deficient, immune-compromised vaccinated non-boostered people in for a rude surprise when they get omicron, and get it they will since everyone is supposed to get it.

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– tuchodi -4 points 2 years ago +1 / -5

South African data suggests wide spread natural immunity

I figured out why it doesn't bother you to be so wrong. It's because you don't bother to research your opinions to find out if there's any truth to them. That's why you rarely supply links too, I bet. It all makes sense now.

Canada's covid deaths per 1 million is currently 788. South Africa's is 1,502. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

And covid is hardest on older people. South Africa's average age is 27.4 and Canada's is 41.1.

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– Ontarian 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Older age is associated with more degenerative and metabolic disorders that have also been shown to heighten the risk of death from COVID-19. Therefore, it is posited that the demographic structure of SSA plays a critical role in the low morbidity and mortality of COVID-19. It is possible that the burden of severe disease and death may be low despite suspected and undetected widespread transmission. In fact, it is possible that widespread transmission has already occurred without precipitating the high death rates seen elsewhere due to the relatively small proportion of elderly and lack of large long-term care facilities for the elderly, which have been the epicenters of mortality in Canada and elsewhere.43 >It is notable that some areas of SSA, such as South Africa, have a much higher median age (27.6 years), which could be a reason for the higher COVID-19 death rates seen there.44

Across SSA, long-term care facilities are almost nonexistent, with the notable exception of South Africa, leaving the provision of care to families.49,50 Large young families with high levels of unemployment and low labor costs enable care to be provided by individual relatives rather than a team of professionals, which limits the number of caregivers that may transmit infection. In the first wave, approximately 33% of South African long-term care facilities experienced outbreaks.51 Furthermore, data from South Africa have demonstrated that COVID-19-related deaths are highly correlated with increased age; approximately 2.2% of all COVID-19-related deaths occurred among persons younger than 30 years, despite their consisting of 54.2% of the population.52,53 This is a further potential explanation for South Africa being an outlier with a higher death rate than in other African countries.54

Further, approximately 70.2% and 67.5% of adults in the United States and Canada, respectively, have been observed to be either overweight or obese (BMI greater than 25).91 Conversely, among countries in SSA, these rates range from 18.1%–38.4%, with exception of South Africa whereby 51.9% of adults are either overweight or obese.91

https://www.ghspjournal.org/content/9/3/433

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– Ontarian 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

South Africa has a higher population density and much higher number of people with HIV, which puts them at greater risk of sever outcomes. The fact that their deaths have not been significantly higher is interesting.

But in the end this is about natural immunity and how it impacts omicrom. It's estimated SA has a 60 to 70% natural immunity level and as a result omicron has not been a serious issue. How widespread is natural immunity in Canada? Probably much less, meaning possibly that many people people will experience serious outcomes, the majority being vaccinated, not unvaccinated.

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– tuchodi -5 points 2 years ago +1 / -6

You said:

South African data suggests wide spread natural immunity

Why do none of your quotes support that? They are all reasons why South Africa's fatality rate is twice as high as Canada's.

What happened to this "wide spread natural immunity" in South Africa that you brought up?

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... continue reading thread?

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– weezkitty 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Even if it does reduce hospitalization, there is still not justification for vaccine passports. If it doesn't prevent transmission, reaching herd immunity through vaccination is impossible. And we had 2 years to expand hospital capacity and we just ... didn't? So why should we be on the hook for the government's repeated failure

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– tuchodi -4 points 2 years ago +1 / -5

there is still not justification for vaccine passports.

They work to slow the spread of communicable diseases. It's easier on the healthcare system that way.

2 years to expand hospital capacity

Can't train doctors and nurses in two years.

why should we be on the hook

Yeah. Who put that government in there anyway. [Looks around for the guilty party]

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