Apparently she said this on, or around the 7th of Jan 2022 on the 'Good Morning America' programme.
I'm not sure if the meant 75% of people since the very start, 2020, 21.
It's obvious to state that with 4 comorbidities, and advanced age, influenza is well known to push people off this mortal coil too. With the allegation that the (now CDC pooh poohed) PCR test cannot differentiate between influenza, SARS-Cov-1, SARS-Cov-2 (both around 80% similar) , MERS or even a common cold, we shall probably never know just how many old obese diabetic old timers with COPD died due to regular flu instead of the WinnieThePoohFlu.
CDC said that after December 31, 2021, it will withdraw the request to the U.S. FDA for EUA of the Real-Time RT-PCR. The test came out in Feb 20 to detect the SARS-CoV-2 only.
quote:
"In preparation for this change, CDC recommends clinical laboratories and testing sites that have been using the CDC 2019-nCoV RT-PCR assay select and begin their transition to another FDA-authorized COVID-19 test. CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses. (italics for emphasis) Such assays can facilitate continued testing for both influenza and SARS-CoV-2..."
The CDC update appeara to be about a specific CDC-developed PCR test to detect genetic material from a particular organism. The agency is stressing the need for multiple tests,(multiplex suggests this) which can look for both the coronavirus and flu at the same time. This offers a chance to do flu monitoring and identify flu while testing for SARS-CoV-2. It appears if the SARS-CoV-2-only test found only that corona, and if that was the only test done, then flu infections went undetected. The “flu season” impact is clear to anyone interested in looking at the data.
So really, I should rephrase my original claim to say "PCR test could not differentiate between flu and sars2 as the teting could not detect the flu".
That is, casting our minds back to the odd disappearance of the flu last winter, plus flu death rates were significantly lower throughout 2020 than previous years. If the 'old' PCR test could not, detect, or differentiate between flu and sars2, or maybe the test was inconclusive, and the patient presented with flu/sars2 like symptoms (which have some crossover) then how many of them with the flu were just assumed to have covid? We don't know. All we know is that flu inexplicably nigh on 'disappeared' winter 2020.
Some would say "oh its masks and the plexiglass and people sitting at home" blah blah, but should we be so sure? After all, flu isn't a cakewalk either for the oldest and most frail, old timers comorbidities can and do die of the flu as well as covid.
Moreover, why they didn't think of this before and had the PCR be able to detect and differentiate between flu, and all the coronavirus and rhinovirus from the get go?
How many people tested inconclusive or negative, and had heavy colds or flus and the covid box was ticked anyway? I recall BC Gesundheitfuhrer, Bonnie Henry basically saying that some cases would be assumed. Ill try and find video of her saying that.
"PCR test could not differentiate between flu and sars1 as the teting could not detect the flu".
There's that SARS1 again. Why?
And all the original PCR test indicated was whether covid was present or not. The presence of influenza did not influence the result. The new tests can detect more than just covid.
Corrected typo from sars1 to sars2. Which may have caused confusion. Sentence should have read "So really, I should rephrase my original claim to say "PCR test could not differentiate between flu and sars2 as the teting could not detect the flu".
Eh? It's plain as day. The original test could not detect influenza. Only sars2.
Was it 'designed' to? Or 'supposed' to? Maybe not, maybe so. Kinda moot now. My implication was, how many people were tested who had fluish/cold ish/corona symptoms, tested negative or possibly threw the test and got a false positive or false negative/inconclusive but actually had a cold or influenza, and categorised as having covid anyway, as a precaution? Seeing as the PCR (the old version used in canada) can and does have an innaccurate rate of anywhere from 30-50% garbage results if you are trying to find rona on folk that don't even have it and just a sniffle.
Would trhat not skew covid stats, and cause undue concern in people, especially as those numbers are passed on to the dinosaur media, and you know how they love to doom and gloom everything.
You may not remember Bonnie Henry basically saying its a waste of time testing everyone showing up with no symptoms because you can get false negatives and then maybe get a positive in the same person the same day.
Eh? It's plain as day. The original test could not detect influenza. Only sars2.
Precisely. I'm glad we agree. Some mistaken people were spreading misinformation to the effect that the original could be confused by influenza.
the PCR (the old version used in canada) can and does have an innaccurate rate of anywhere from 30-50% garbage results
You probably want to supply some authoritative reference material for a statement like that. Some people would accuse you of spreading misinformation otherwise.
how many people were tested who...
I'm pretty sure the Internet will tell you how accurate it was if you ask.
Bonnie Henry basically saying
Yes. I believe the quote was something about 'The health officer underscored that testing stations are being overwhelmed'
"Overwhelmed". There's that word again.
You see, that's why vaccines are so valuable: they keep people out of the hospitals and ICUs, and maybe the facilities won't be overwhelmed.
A certain percentage of the people that died from covid would have been dead by now from something else had it not been for covid.
Apparently she said this on, or around the 7th of Jan 2022 on the 'Good Morning America' programme.
I'm not sure if the meant 75% of people since the very start, 2020, 21.
It's obvious to state that with 4 comorbidities, and advanced age, influenza is well known to push people off this mortal coil too. With the allegation that the (now CDC pooh poohed) PCR test cannot differentiate between influenza, SARS-Cov-1, SARS-Cov-2 (both around 80% similar) , MERS or even a common cold, we shall probably never know just how many old obese diabetic old timers with COPD died due to regular flu instead of the WinnieThePoohFlu.
I call bullshit. Show us a link.
I could not find specific data on SARS2 differentiation or mentions of detection so I withdraw that claim.
https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html
CDC said that after December 31, 2021, it will withdraw the request to the U.S. FDA for EUA of the Real-Time RT-PCR. The test came out in Feb 20 to detect the SARS-CoV-2 only.
quote: "In preparation for this change, CDC recommends clinical laboratories and testing sites that have been using the CDC 2019-nCoV RT-PCR assay select and begin their transition to another FDA-authorized COVID-19 test. CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses. (italics for emphasis) Such assays can facilitate continued testing for both influenza and SARS-CoV-2..."
The CDC update appeara to be about a specific CDC-developed PCR test to detect genetic material from a particular organism. The agency is stressing the need for multiple tests,(multiplex suggests this) which can look for both the coronavirus and flu at the same time. This offers a chance to do flu monitoring and identify flu while testing for SARS-CoV-2. It appears if the SARS-CoV-2-only test found only that corona, and if that was the only test done, then flu infections went undetected. The “flu season” impact is clear to anyone interested in looking at the data.
So really, I should rephrase my original claim to say "PCR test could not differentiate between flu and sars2 as the teting could not detect the flu".
That is, casting our minds back to the odd disappearance of the flu last winter, plus flu death rates were significantly lower throughout 2020 than previous years. If the 'old' PCR test could not, detect, or differentiate between flu and sars2, or maybe the test was inconclusive, and the patient presented with flu/sars2 like symptoms (which have some crossover) then how many of them with the flu were just assumed to have covid? We don't know. All we know is that flu inexplicably nigh on 'disappeared' winter 2020.
Some would say "oh its masks and the plexiglass and people sitting at home" blah blah, but should we be so sure? After all, flu isn't a cakewalk either for the oldest and most frail, old timers comorbidities can and do die of the flu as well as covid.
Moreover, why they didn't think of this before and had the PCR be able to detect and differentiate between flu, and all the coronavirus and rhinovirus from the get go?
How many people tested inconclusive or negative, and had heavy colds or flus and the covid box was ticked anyway? I recall BC Gesundheitfuhrer, Bonnie Henry basically saying that some cases would be assumed. Ill try and find video of her saying that.
There's that SARS1 again. Why?
And all the original PCR test indicated was whether covid was present or not. The presence of influenza did not influence the result. The new tests can detect more than just covid.
https://www.uspharmacist.com/article/cdc-urges-test-for-both-covid19-flu-as-replacement-for-pcr-assay
https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/JCM.00938-20
So, CDC dir states 75% of deaths are from people who are seriously ill or have comorbidities.
Flipped around (reasonable to infer), she is implying that fit, healthy folks do not tend to die of corona or the resulting symptoms.
All the more reason to keep a good BMI, excercise, take your vitamins, vit D, don't smoke or drink like a fish.
Corrected typo from sars1 to sars2. Which may have caused confusion. Sentence should have read "So really, I should rephrase my original claim to say "PCR test could not differentiate between flu and sars2 as the teting could not detect the flu".
Still peddling misinformation I see. The superseded test returned positive if covid was found and negative if it wasn't. That is all.
https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html
Eh? It's plain as day. The original test could not detect influenza. Only sars2.
Was it 'designed' to? Or 'supposed' to? Maybe not, maybe so. Kinda moot now. My implication was, how many people were tested who had fluish/cold ish/corona symptoms, tested negative or possibly threw the test and got a false positive or false negative/inconclusive but actually had a cold or influenza, and categorised as having covid anyway, as a precaution? Seeing as the PCR (the old version used in canada) can and does have an innaccurate rate of anywhere from 30-50% garbage results if you are trying to find rona on folk that don't even have it and just a sniffle.
Would trhat not skew covid stats, and cause undue concern in people, especially as those numbers are passed on to the dinosaur media, and you know how they love to doom and gloom everything.
You may not remember Bonnie Henry basically saying its a waste of time testing everyone showing up with no symptoms because you can get false negatives and then maybe get a positive in the same person the same day.
Precisely. I'm glad we agree. Some mistaken people were spreading misinformation to the effect that the original could be confused by influenza.
You probably want to supply some authoritative reference material for a statement like that. Some people would accuse you of spreading misinformation otherwise.
I'm pretty sure the Internet will tell you how accurate it was if you ask.
Yes. I believe the quote was something about 'The health officer underscored that testing stations are being overwhelmed'
"Overwhelmed". There's that word again.
You see, that's why vaccines are so valuable: they keep people out of the hospitals and ICUs, and maybe the facilities won't be overwhelmed.