The Public Health Agency of Canada is getting nuked by angry fully vaccinated Canadians who were lied to, they were promised an “effective” injection but hospitals covid units are now 80% fully vaccinated.
The fully vaccinated people are ANGRY:
u/ChazzleDazzle you just schooled Tuchodi with absolute risk ratio and it went right over her head.
Pfizer and Moderna's assertions of 95% efficacy is relative risk, which is garbage science.
It's one of Big Pharma's favorite tricks: 2 people in a thousand got covid like symptoms during a 4 month trial. Moderna and Pfizer claims their experimental mRNA drug reduces the risk to 1 person in a thousand. So they claim this reduces YOUR odds of Covid by 50% relative risk. What they’re in fact claiming is the drug reduces your risk from 0.2% to 0.1%. That's a 0.1% improvement in absolute terms. But what if 3% of the thousand who take the drug get myocarditis?
The 95% vaccine efficacy claim was repeated by gullible people who thought that their chances of getting Covid was going to be just 5%.
But your chance of getting Covid was never 100% in the first place.
This is Tuchodi’s biggest lie.
Every single “study” and “vaccine efficacy” claim from Pharma and mainstream was actually a relative risk reduction. Since the basic function of a vaccine is to keep people from catching the disease, the CDC and FDA had to change the definition because their ‘vaccine’ was not preventing infection.
Currently, the fully vaccinated are getting such high rates of Covid infection that the absolute risk is -0.% and with each breakthrough case, the forced vaccinations, the firing people from their jobs and the travel bans become unjustifiable, mathematically speaking.
You calculated the absolute risk reduction of hospitalization. That’s simply the difference in risk for someone in the vax group versus in the control group. The ratio formula is: lets say you have 100 people and 10 of them catch covid and go to the hospital. The baseline risk of getting hospitalized is 10%. And suppose that 100 other people take the vaccine, and only one of these gets sick and goes to the hospital. Their risk is 1%. The absolute risk reduction (ARR) is then just 9% (10% minus 1%), because the risk was already so low. But the relative risk reduction (RRR) is 90%—that reduction of 9% divided by the baseline risk of 10%.
For the ones who understood the math and science back in Dec 2020, Pfizer and Murderna’s VE% claims never made sense because total mortality was so low for people under 70.
Currently triple vaccinated have higher infection rates and hospitalization rates compared to the unvaccinated. The reduction in the risk of getting severe Covid when vaccinated, is now ZERO.
You’ll notice that not one study or VE% claim uses the breakthrough infections data that occurred after Dec 2021. For the simple reason that: the fully vaccinated after December 2021 have the worst outcomes.
Using the population of the province in your ICU calculations assumes that the healthcare system should/could/might-be-able-to handle 100% of the population in ICUs, which is not true.
Instead of 14.5 million you should look up and be using the number of available ICU beds in Ontario. Then your percentages would be more reflective of the real world.
OK. According to https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data "All eligible (5+) includes Ontarians 5 or older", the unvaccinated represent 10% of the population of Ontario.
Unvaccinated are using .5% of ICU beds vs vaccinated using 2.4% of ICU beds
Applying that to your figures: one tenth of the population is occupying one about one sixth of the ICU beds. If vaccinations didn't make any difference that would be one tenth instead of one sixth.
”One tenth of the population is occupying one about one sixth of the ICU beds”.
~TUCHODI, 2022
LOL
Re read that again. I’m leaving this up for when you try and delete it later. Why are you embarrassing yourself here and pretending you understand the math?
You admitted you don’t understand math, you admitted you don’t understand statistics and you admitted you don’t understand science. You admitted you don’t allow yourself to use critical think. So why are you replying to a math and statistic question?
You said you were on this forum to just copy paste mainstream “studies” with outdated infection rates and copy paste “scientific journal” that count probable covid cases.
It’s the blue haired uneducated Leftists like you, at Twitter and Mainstream, with no science or math background, currently censoring doctors, and deplatforming the immunologists who understand the math.
Estimates are age-standardized using Ontario’s current population and a single age cut-off to take into account differences in vaccine uptake and the risk of severe disease between children, adolescents and young adults (0-29 years) and remaining adults (30+ years). The currently available data do not allow for a more granular age standardization. Estimates are based on (1) 7-day averages of the proportions of fully vaccinated and unvaccinated patients.
These are estimates. Are you able to think for yourself or do you just copy and paste shit arguments from the corrupt government all the time? The science table has zero credibility since every model has failed since the onset of the pandemic.
By people in hospitals counting noses. That's more accurate than anything you've produced. You seem to get a few numbers and then retreat into your own head to play with them.
think for yourself
It helps to have some expertise in the subject area if you're going to argue with the experts. What's yours?
copy and paste shit arguments
In this case it's simple numbers, not an argument. A count. So many vaccinated patients, so many unvaccinated patients. And the unvaccinated patient covid infection rate is 4 times higher.
The science table has zero credibility since every model has failed
Your entitled to your opinion but we're not discussing a model. On any given day hospitals send in their numbers, and the numbers show up at the top of the web page https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/ontario-dashboard/ where anyone can read them.
https://mobile.twitter.com/GovCanHealth/status/1529114746951180295
The Public Health Agency of Canada is getting nuked by angry fully vaccinated Canadians who were lied to, they were promised an “effective” injection but hospitals covid units are now 80% fully vaccinated.
The fully vaccinated people are ANGRY:
https://mobile.twitter.com/GovCanHealth/status/1529114746951180295
Is my math correct?
If 85% of Ontario is vaccinated and 15% isn't and there are around 14.5 million people.
There are 14 in the ICU unvaccinated and 59 fully vaccinated
59 ÷ (14.5 million × .85) = .0005%
14 ÷ (14.5 million x .15) = .0006%
When they say it "reduces" severity I guess it's true but it's only by .0001%
I know these are crude figures and please feel free to criticize my methodology.
u/ChazzleDazzle you just schooled Tuchodi with absolute risk ratio and it went right over her head.
Pfizer and Moderna's assertions of 95% efficacy is relative risk, which is garbage science.
It's one of Big Pharma's favorite tricks: 2 people in a thousand got covid like symptoms during a 4 month trial. Moderna and Pfizer claims their experimental mRNA drug reduces the risk to 1 person in a thousand. So they claim this reduces YOUR odds of Covid by 50% relative risk. What they’re in fact claiming is the drug reduces your risk from 0.2% to 0.1%. That's a 0.1% improvement in absolute terms. But what if 3% of the thousand who take the drug get myocarditis?
The 95% vaccine efficacy claim was repeated by gullible people who thought that their chances of getting Covid was going to be just 5%.
But your chance of getting Covid was never 100% in the first place.
This is Tuchodi’s biggest lie.
Every single “study” and “vaccine efficacy” claim from Pharma and mainstream was actually a relative risk reduction. Since the basic function of a vaccine is to keep people from catching the disease, the CDC and FDA had to change the definition because their ‘vaccine’ was not preventing infection. Currently, the fully vaccinated are getting such high rates of Covid infection that the absolute risk is -0.% and with each breakthrough case, the forced vaccinations, the firing people from their jobs and the travel bans become unjustifiable, mathematically speaking.
You calculated the absolute risk reduction of hospitalization. That’s simply the difference in risk for someone in the vax group versus in the control group. The ratio formula is: lets say you have 100 people and 10 of them catch covid and go to the hospital. The baseline risk of getting hospitalized is 10%. And suppose that 100 other people take the vaccine, and only one of these gets sick and goes to the hospital. Their risk is 1%. The absolute risk reduction (ARR) is then just 9% (10% minus 1%), because the risk was already so low. But the relative risk reduction (RRR) is 90%—that reduction of 9% divided by the baseline risk of 10%.
For the ones who understood the math and science back in Dec 2020, Pfizer and Murderna’s VE% claims never made sense because total mortality was so low for people under 70.
Currently triple vaccinated have higher infection rates and hospitalization rates compared to the unvaccinated. The reduction in the risk of getting severe Covid when vaccinated, is now ZERO.
You’ll notice that not one study or VE% claim uses the breakthrough infections data that occurred after Dec 2021. For the simple reason that: the fully vaccinated after December 2021 have the worst outcomes.
Using the population of the province in your ICU calculations assumes that the healthcare system should/could/might-be-able-to handle 100% of the population in ICUs, which is not true.
Instead of 14.5 million you should look up and be using the number of available ICU beds in Ontario. Then your percentages would be more reflective of the real world.
Ok so there are 2436 ICU beds
Unvaccinated are using .5% of ICU beds vs vaccinated using 2.4% of ICU beds
Adjusted for population there are 2070 icu beds allocated for vaccinated people and representing 2.8% of beds occupied.
Vs 366 beds allocated for vaccinated representing 4% allocation
Still bollocks but the general risk accounting for the entire population is still non existent
OK. According to https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data "All eligible (5+) includes Ontarians 5 or older", the unvaccinated represent 10% of the population of Ontario.
Applying that to your figures: one tenth of the population is occupying one about one sixth of the ICU beds. If vaccinations didn't make any difference that would be one tenth instead of one sixth.
~TUCHODI, 2022
LOL
Re read that again. I’m leaving this up for when you try and delete it later. Why are you embarrassing yourself here and pretending you understand the math?
You admitted you don’t understand math, you admitted you don’t understand statistics and you admitted you don’t understand science. You admitted you don’t allow yourself to use critical think. So why are you replying to a math and statistic question? You said you were on this forum to just copy paste mainstream “studies” with outdated infection rates and copy paste “scientific journal” that count probable covid cases.
It’s the blue haired uneducated Leftists like you, at Twitter and Mainstream, with no science or math background, currently censoring doctors, and deplatforming the immunologists who understand the math.
You remind me of these people. "It turns out the majority of participants incorrectly believed one-third of a pound was actually smaller than a quarter of a pound." https://awrestaurants.com/blog/aw-third-pound-burger-fractions
I’ll remind everyone of your illiteracy:
“One tenth of the population (1.4M) is occupying about one sixth of the ICU beds”.
~ TUCHODI, 2022, math illiterate and propagandist.
Trudeaus own website, PHAC, shows the triple vaccinated are now getting covid infections at 2x the rate than the unvaccinated.
You are unable to address the math or the facts. You admitted yourself you don’t have the education to understand it.
You can't quote accurately and you've already said opinions are useless. No points this time.
You're a retard. 14 people out of 15% of the population are occupying ICU beds
That's .0006% vs .0005% total population
If everyone in Ontario was unvaccinated we would have 87 people in the ICU vs 73 people if everyone was vaccinated.
Looool
And you're off in some cobweb-filled corner of your own head.
As of May 28 2022 there are over 140 people in ICUs with covid. See https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/ontario-dashboard/ and https://covid-19.ontario.ca/#section-0
The rate per million of people hospitalized with covid is 201 for unvaccinated people, and 50 for people with at least two doses.
And the rate per million of people in ICUs with covid is 32 for unvaccinated people, and 7.7 for people with at least two doses. https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/ontario-dashboard/
So the rate for unvaccinated folks is about 4 times as high for hospitalizations and ICU occupancy.
Have fun playing your own little games.
Your own federal website has statistics that CURRENTLY SHOW THE TRIPLE VACCINATED HAVE 2x THE COVID INFECTION RATES
Educate yourself.
Misrepresenting the facts is your choice. I don't know whether you're being paid to do it, had a shitty childhood, or have a mental problem.
The notion that going to the hospital represents a failure of the vaccine is just dumb, but you keep repeating it.
Your own links provide simple numbers that clearly show that the rate of hospitalization and ICU treatment are currently about four times higher for unvaccinated individuals. https://omegacanada.win/p/15IEF7adqG/in-alberta-the-unvaccinated-with/c/
All your opinions don't change the facts.
Estimates are age-standardized using Ontario’s current population and a single age cut-off to take into account differences in vaccine uptake and the risk of severe disease between children, adolescents and young adults (0-29 years) and remaining adults (30+ years). The currently available data do not allow for a more granular age standardization. Estimates are based on (1) 7-day averages of the proportions of fully vaccinated and unvaccinated patients.
These are estimates. Are you able to think for yourself or do you just copy and paste shit arguments from the corrupt government all the time? The science table has zero credibility since every model has failed since the onset of the pandemic.
She said she didn’t know the meaning of “Age standardized” adjustment so she does not understand your reply. It’s unfortunate.
By people in hospitals counting noses. That's more accurate than anything you've produced. You seem to get a few numbers and then retreat into your own head to play with them.
It helps to have some expertise in the subject area if you're going to argue with the experts. What's yours?
In this case it's simple numbers, not an argument. A count. So many vaccinated patients, so many unvaccinated patients. And the unvaccinated patient covid infection rate is 4 times higher.
Your entitled to your opinion but we're not discussing a model. On any given day hospitals send in their numbers, and the numbers show up at the top of the web page https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/ontario-dashboard/ where anyone can read them.