COVID vs. The Flu in Canada
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But it is more deadly. The COVID-19 death toll in the United States is 180,000+. The flu/pneumonia death toll in 2018 without social distancing, lockdowns, masks was 61,000 max in the US.
I think Quebec is very likely to be closer to herd immunity than the rest of Canada yea given their relatively high COVID death rate and relatively high test positivity rate. So opening up Quebec would be less controversial I think than opening up say Ontario. I would say the majority of people in Ontario don't want to see Swedish death rates. Whereas Quebec has already surpassed Sweden death rates. So a re-opening is an easier pill for Quebec to swallow.
I don't know how things are in Montreal. But in Greater Toronto, Vancouver, New York, Milan, Los Angeles, etc. a large percentage of adult children live with their parents. And there is a housing shortage in these urban centres so it's not as simple as moving out because imagine every single one of them trying to find a new place to rent/buy at once. And a large percentage of immigrant households have multi-generational households. So even in this hypothetical scenario where the elderly isolate themselves from their family for a year+ until a vaccine (yea right? Who actually does that?), you're going to have casualties in multi-generational households. Because it's pretty much impossible to socially distance yourself from the people you live with. Lots of people also have room mates and you might have a room mate who is immunocompromised or even elderly. If you had a room mate who had leukemia, would you be a celibate hikikomori for a year+? lol.
The COVID-19 death toll in the USA is 180,765. The 2018 flu death toll was max 61,000 in the United States. You're telling me that the government in both blue states and red states are artificially fudging the data by over 3x for COVID-19 that they didn't for the flu? Because if you think COVID-19 isn't worse than the flu, then that is what would have to happen.
I never said Democrat-run cities and states did a good job. lmao. Dude I'm not a Democrat. I'm just not a Republican cocksucker like you. I'm a small-l libertarian basically.
I never said I was for the lockdown. Only in instances like Milan where hospitals are running out of beds. My point is that the elderly do not live in a bubble so casualties are going to happen if you go with the herd immunity strategy. You can't expect the elderly to isolate themselves from family and friends for a year+ until a vaccine is available. That's unrealistic.
And yes there are a lot of "adult children" who live with their parents in the metropolitan areas because rent is expensive. And there's also a lot of multi-generational households in the cities in immigrant families. There is a shortage of housing in the cities. You expect them to all become homeless to socially isolate themselves from elderly relatives? lmao. Be realistic. The problem with batshit insane conservatives is that you don't think pragmatically. When asked if the United States COVID-19 death toll is acceptable, 67% of independents (the swing voters that the Republicans need to win) said that the United States COVID-19 death toll was unacceptable. You can continue to just whine and scream about how authoritarian the lockdown is and continue to lose to the liberals politically. Or you can actually try to convince independents that your position is the right one. Which is it? Republicans and Republican-like Canadians like you are failing to convince independents that herd immunity is the right strategy because you tell blatant lies like COVID-19 is not more lethal than the flu.
And you argue in bad faith by spreading misinformation and lies. People like you make reasonable lockdown skeptics like me look bad because you're batshit insane.