I'm in Ottawa, ON and my religious exemption was denied by my company. While I work remotely and there's no return to work until at least mid-2022, I want to prepare legally. Which legal firms in Ottawa can I contact that handle this specific situation? I just wanted to have that first conversation with a legal expert informing them of my situation to weight my options.

Right now I can't enter the building on site, but if I needed something from the office to take home, it can be picked up at the curb (this is how many have to do it right now, since their cubicle no longer has their computer workstation, being it's at home). So I CAN work and do my job. I'd rather continue working from home permanently if that remains an option beyond mid-2022.

That said, there might be a future situation where somehow my presence on-site would be required. Some equipment cannot leave the building because it's too big, but I've not had that problem yet in years. Another thought is if this might impact my ability to get a security clearance renewed when it expires (e.g. having to go in on-site for fingerprints, etc) - not sure.

The on-site all-the-time-at-the-office model looks be being done away with. A recent big meeting had a higher up mention more collaborative spaces like other companies have adopted. They don't know the future, and whatever they do they don't want to be temporary - so a mixed model would seem to be a thing for sure.

So I don't sense I'm in any immediate trouble.

But I'd like to know what my REALISTIC and TIMELY options are LEGALLY with a lawyer.

It basically comes down to this: risking my health or starving. The former seems to be the lesser of two evils.

So who can I call? Website? Number? Something specific to Ottawa, where I can call - introduce myself and getting a better sense of things.

I'm not willing to shell out legal costs just yet.

Should the day come where I'm definitely look to lose my job, I will make that next step.

Even then, and even if I were to win and be accommodated - how LONG would that take? How MUCH would that costs me?

It's not an easy decision, and I don't want to unnecessarily lose my career prematurely.

Has anyone here on this forum (or someone you know of) been able to successfully get the religious exemption from the covid jab yet?

I submitted my paper work, and I'm not sure when I'll be hearing back, as there's no need for me to file right now. Working from home, and the group being this way for years to come (based on what I've heard in meetings) gave me the other option of not submitting any paperwork at all. I figured I would anyway, just in case that window of later closed. Having something officially on file might be necessary later should the rules change suddenly.

The reader who is well versed in geopolitics and aware of the Bilderberg Group, will find this 1981 quote which many attribute to Bilderberg member Jacques Attail. Attali served as a counselor to President François Mitterrand from 1981 to 1991 and was the first head of the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development in 1991-

” The future will be about finding a way to reduce the population. We start with the old, because as soon as they exceed 60-65 years, people live longer than they produce and that costs society dearly. Then the weak, then the useless that do not help society because there will always be more of them, and above all, ultimately, the stupid. Euthanasia targeting these groups; Euthanasia will have to be an essential tool in our future societies, in all cases. Of course we will not be able to execute people or build camps. We get rid of them by making them believe that it is for their own good. Overpopulation, and mostly useless, is something that is too costly economically. Socially, too, it is much better when the human machine comes to an abrupt standstill than when it gradually deteriorates. Neither will we be able to test millions upon millions of people for their intelligence, you bet that! We will find or cause something a pandemic targeting certain people, a real economic crisis or not, a virus affecting the old or the fat, it doesn't matter, the weak will succumb to it, the fearful and stupid will believe in it and seek treatment. We will have made sure that treatment is in place, treatment that will be the solution. The selection of idiots then takes care of itself: You go to the slaughter by yourself."

• Interviews with Michel Salomon – The Faces of the Future, Seghers edition, which was published in France by Emi Lit when Attali was a senior adviser to French President, Francoise Mitterand.

How is this "jab" supposed to "slow" or "prevent" other people from getting Covid-19 from you?

I generally understand that it may help reduce symptoms, but have no idea what else these injections will do to "slow" or "prevent" an jabbed individual from infecting another?

Assuming the jab you got is for the strain going around - does it prevent you from spreading it?

People are saying it does prevent the spread.

What exactly are they basing this on?

How plausible or probable is their explanation?

I want to understand this better from both sides - even if you disagree with the other side. I haven't been able to articulate this yet, and hearing a concise take on this would be useful.

I'm guessing this is all they have - if so - how strong is this argument is. Is there any compelling evidence in this particular study? I keep hearing that a vaxed person can still infect another - but if this is correct below, then it would be less likely - or maybe it's not related at all.. Thoughts?:

"Other study findings suggest that fully or partially vaccinated people who got COVID-19 might be less likely to spread the virus to others. For example, fully or partially vaccinated study participants had 40 percent less detectable virus in their nose (i.e., a lower viral load), and the virus was detected for six fewer days (i.e., viral shedding) compared to those who were unvaccinated when infected. In addition, people who were partially or fully vaccinated were 66 percent less likely to test positive for SARS-CoV-2 infection for more than one week compared to those who were unvaccinated. While these indicators are not a direct measure of a person’s ability to spread the virus, they have been correlated with reduced spread of other viruses, such as varicella and influenza." https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0607-mrna-reduce-risks.html

I keep hearing about religious exemption, but was curious as to the specifics of it. What if they don't formally belong to a church group? Do they have to formally join a denomination which has done some sort of official paperwork for it be grounds for exemption in a legal sense? Or do we simply state it on whatever paper is given to us with a bible verse? etc. I have no idea how this is supposed to work. I'm not at that point yet, but should it happen tomorrow, next week, month, etc I'd like to have a better idea.

Have anyone of you hear already done this? What exactly did you have to do, etc? It doesn't have to be for covid either. It could be for something else, as this isn't the first time religious exemption has been needed.

Specifically in the context of a workplace. It could be public sector or private company.

At the present time my employeer is undecided in their policy on this. They've made it available and encouraged people to get it. They've not made it mandatory yet. Ever how and then in meetings the subject comes up about coworkers discussion when they got theirs, etc. I always keep silent during those parts. If I'm ever asked directly point blank, I'm wondering if they have the right to do so. I'd prefer not to say anything until my actual employment status is at stake. I hope that day never comes. I work in the private sector.

My response right now would be: I've taken vaccines all my life, but specifics have always been on a know basis. If this is an official request, I would need a formal communication in writing on this or anything else medical.

This way they won't see me as anti-vax, nor uncooperative. I'm actually undecided if I will take it or not if my job is at stake. I'm not willing to find another job if truth be told. I'd only be delaying the inevitable: living on welfare in some violent slum OR getting whatever potential side effects of a jab would be. Either way life and freedom as we know it is in grave danger. I'd prefer to stay where I'm at with what I've got. Procrastinating while maintaining an appearance of being reasonable and cooperative is my plan. Hopefully there will be new developments where the dangers of the jab become abundantly clear to the general public. Maybe those who procrastinated long enough can avoid it altogether, while the rest of the test subjects lay sick and dying of their own haste.

Why do the folks on TheDonald still support Trump after he betrayed their trust by:

1. NOT having a military coup when he had it in his power to do so.

2. PUSHING a vaccine.

Especially #2. How do you folks from TheDonald reconcile this in your minds? How can you still trust him? How is he not possibly controlled opposition (e.g. still buddies with the Clintons) in your minds at this point? What do you make of the fact that everything he built during his first term is being dismantled? What if he knew that, and in his role as controlled opposition, he did knowing it was only temprorary?

Think folks.

I put the question here, because on TheDonald it's not going to go over well. As a different forum here, I think I can get some more honest answers.

I'm listening.

...that has any chance of winning any election. I'm not going to bother to vote anymore. I know that doesn't help anyone. But it's really pointless. Canada is lost, and everything terrible happening is just going to have to run it's course for another future generation to hopefully learn the mistakes of. That's where I'm at.