I get being against the vaccines and refusing on principle but I’m also facing the reality that taking it and getting over it is the easiest path. I’m outside of Canada and to ever see my mom again my only real option is to take a vaccine which ever one it might be and suck it up. The risks are low enough that it’s less dangerous than most things I don’t think twice about doing anyway like riding my motorcycle.
Do they work? Probably but not at any rate to be significant
Will they kill me or fuck me up? Possibly but not as bad as going on an adventure while traveling in most tropical places.
If I was in your place I’d probably just suck it up and roll up my sleeves and say needs must.
The long term effects are what concerns me, the risk of dropping dead within a week of getting any of them is very small but it is happening. The effects it will have on us over the next 10 years are the mystery, apart from the "vaccine" going berserk when it encounters another type of Coronavirus and killing you, which is what has happened every other time they tried to make a vaccine for one. The chance of infertility or increased chances of birth defects, cancers or organ failures, over the next decade are still unknown, but these kind of miracle drugs seldom work as advertised.
I dig where you are coming from to me with the risks in one hand and the reality that you are going to be 2 steps from being a prisoner on the other I judged for me it was easier to suck it up and just take the shot.
The other option obviously is to get fake ID made for some homeless person with their picture on it and your name and details on it so you get the 'vaccine passport' in your name with you correct details on it and let te homeless person get the shot on your behalf.
When the first came out I understood vaccine hesitancy. It's generally a bad idea to be first in line to try out a new drug especially one that was developed in such a short timeline and approved under the gun of a pandemic. However with each passing day we're getting more information from people who have taken it. It seems to be mostly fine. The AstraZeneca and J&J ones seem to have some blood clotting issues. It's a very rare side effect but by some calculations it means the risks outweigh the benefits. The Pfizer one seems to be doing okay. Some people are reporting feeling ill for a day or two but nothing too serious.
What's concerning here is reasonable vaccine hesitancy is slowly turning into ideological anti-vaxxer-ism. I'm starting to think there are people here who will still be talking about a rushed development cycle 20 years from now after we have data from 100's of millions of people. I get not wanting to be forced to take medicine. I also get having a slightly pig-headed personality where if someone tries to force you to do something you refuse even if you otherwise would have wanted it but lets not forget that vaccination has been one of the most successful public health interventions that has ever been done. We've used it to eliminate many crippling illnesses from the western world.
So this is one of those things people never really think about but it falls into that statistically more significant than you'd think kind of things. If we ignore people who through drunken/drugged stupidity end up dead for fucking the wrong hooker and getting killed for it and focus on just bad drivers, horrible roads, allergic reactions to insects and plants you'd never know you were allergic to or water born diseases going to tropical places is actually more dangerous than you would think.
Add in people doing more adventurous things than they would normally do at home on equipment built and run by people who have simply no concept of safety and you have an amazing amount of serious incidents each year.
I see people who come here (I spend most of my year in South east Asia) all the time and rent scooters. The roads are dreadful and there aren't laws in the same way we would expect in Canada. People don't signal lane changes or check blind spots, roads don't have shoulders or railings around turns on the sides of cliffs. So you take someone who likely last road a dirt bike on their uncles farm 10 years ago driving a scooter half drunk wearing flip flops at night with no road lights and a drunk girlfriend on the back and.... I think you get the picture.
For some actual Canadian numbers the best I could find was this from 1996 - 2004. Effectively 2400 people over 8 years or 300 per year. Ignoring the 2/3rds that are natural deaths (old people do die on vacation) and focusing instead on the 100. Who died from accident or murder ... So we can do the per capita in 2 ways. Brute force is we take the 38,000,000 people and knock 2 zeros off and you have a 1:380 000 chance of death from unnatural causes while traveling abroad per year. But this is actually a bit of an under estimate, so what we really want is the number who traveled outside of Canada each year which unfortunately isn't easy to find...
So lets call it an average of %50 of Canadians over 5 years but lets make the assumption that this is likely high as many won't ravel every year and kick it down to like %40 or give or take 15,000,000. This brings our per capita per year down around 1:150 000 or about the same as our domestic murder rate.
You have about the same chance of being murdered in Canada as being killed in a foreign country while on vacation.
Current wild guess on the AZ vaccine but blood clots in the 1:250 000 range or about %40 lower than ending up dead on a vacation.
yeah it was a flippant comment on my part but the math (post below) surprisingly holds up better than you would think and I'd rather back up my flippant bullshit than just let it steam like a politician.
So quick story. few years back I went to this place linked above. They are massive swings over a gorge 50km's north of the drunken aussie area of beaches in Bali in an area know for yoga. This place is endless hoards of women wearing long dresses going on these swings of death in a third world country held together with 20 year old rotting ropes taking pictures of themselves not realizing the danger they are in for Instagram. For every guy there are literally 100 women in long ass dresses.
Me and the wife were there with 2 other couples not realizing the yoga nature of the area. The wives were all having spa day and the guys were getting drunk at one of the 8 pools (https://www.themansionbali.com/ like under $100 a night) and we were noticing that we were the only 3 guys at the entire hotel. like 150 women no men. We were having drinks bought for us we had food sent over to us and to be fair we are middle aged fat guys who are balding.
Due to the yoga nature of the region evidently straight men are not a common thing.
Is it really worth it?
I get being against the vaccines and refusing on principle but I’m also facing the reality that taking it and getting over it is the easiest path. I’m outside of Canada and to ever see my mom again my only real option is to take a vaccine which ever one it might be and suck it up. The risks are low enough that it’s less dangerous than most things I don’t think twice about doing anyway like riding my motorcycle.
Do they work? Probably but not at any rate to be significant
Will they kill me or fuck me up? Possibly but not as bad as going on an adventure while traveling in most tropical places.
If I was in your place I’d probably just suck it up and roll up my sleeves and say needs must.
The long term effects are what concerns me, the risk of dropping dead within a week of getting any of them is very small but it is happening. The effects it will have on us over the next 10 years are the mystery, apart from the "vaccine" going berserk when it encounters another type of Coronavirus and killing you, which is what has happened every other time they tried to make a vaccine for one. The chance of infertility or increased chances of birth defects, cancers or organ failures, over the next decade are still unknown, but these kind of miracle drugs seldom work as advertised.
I dig where you are coming from to me with the risks in one hand and the reality that you are going to be 2 steps from being a prisoner on the other I judged for me it was easier to suck it up and just take the shot.
The other option obviously is to get fake ID made for some homeless person with their picture on it and your name and details on it so you get the 'vaccine passport' in your name with you correct details on it and let te homeless person get the shot on your behalf.
[email protected]
Does some solid work with Ontario and BC drivers licenses.
When the first came out I understood vaccine hesitancy. It's generally a bad idea to be first in line to try out a new drug especially one that was developed in such a short timeline and approved under the gun of a pandemic. However with each passing day we're getting more information from people who have taken it. It seems to be mostly fine. The AstraZeneca and J&J ones seem to have some blood clotting issues. It's a very rare side effect but by some calculations it means the risks outweigh the benefits. The Pfizer one seems to be doing okay. Some people are reporting feeling ill for a day or two but nothing too serious.
What's concerning here is reasonable vaccine hesitancy is slowly turning into ideological anti-vaxxer-ism. I'm starting to think there are people here who will still be talking about a rushed development cycle 20 years from now after we have data from 100's of millions of people. I get not wanting to be forced to take medicine. I also get having a slightly pig-headed personality where if someone tries to force you to do something you refuse even if you otherwise would have wanted it but lets not forget that vaccination has been one of the most successful public health interventions that has ever been done. We've used it to eliminate many crippling illnesses from the western world.
https://scholarworks.bgsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1053&context=hmsls_mastersprojects
https://time.com/4250811/travel-safety/
https://www.cbc.ca/news/deaths-of-quebec-women-in-thailand-may-have-been-caused-by-pesticide-1.2569434#:~:text=A%20highly%20toxic%20pesticide%20used%20to%20control%20bedbugs%20in%20some,estate%20and%20Radio%2DCanada's%20Enquete.
So this is one of those things people never really think about but it falls into that statistically more significant than you'd think kind of things. If we ignore people who through drunken/drugged stupidity end up dead for fucking the wrong hooker and getting killed for it and focus on just bad drivers, horrible roads, allergic reactions to insects and plants you'd never know you were allergic to or water born diseases going to tropical places is actually more dangerous than you would think.
https://www.outsideonline.com/2159481/just-how-dangerous-are-ziplines
Add in people doing more adventurous things than they would normally do at home on equipment built and run by people who have simply no concept of safety and you have an amazing amount of serious incidents each year.
I see people who come here (I spend most of my year in South east Asia) all the time and rent scooters. The roads are dreadful and there aren't laws in the same way we would expect in Canada. People don't signal lane changes or check blind spots, roads don't have shoulders or railings around turns on the sides of cliffs. So you take someone who likely last road a dirt bike on their uncles farm 10 years ago driving a scooter half drunk wearing flip flops at night with no road lights and a drunk girlfriend on the back and.... I think you get the picture.
https://academic.oup.com/jtm/article-pdf/14/2/77/5080159/jtm14-0077.pdf
For some actual Canadian numbers the best I could find was this from 1996 - 2004. Effectively 2400 people over 8 years or 300 per year. Ignoring the 2/3rds that are natural deaths (old people do die on vacation) and focusing instead on the 100. Who died from accident or murder ... So we can do the per capita in 2 ways. Brute force is we take the 38,000,000 people and knock 2 zeros off and you have a 1:380 000 chance of death from unnatural causes while traveling abroad per year. But this is actually a bit of an under estimate, so what we really want is the number who traveled outside of Canada each year which unfortunately isn't easy to find...
https://www.statista.com/statistics/538674/canadians-travel-outside-north-america-income/
So lets call it an average of %50 of Canadians over 5 years but lets make the assumption that this is likely high as many won't ravel every year and kick it down to like %40 or give or take 15,000,000. This brings our per capita per year down around 1:150 000 or about the same as our domestic murder rate.
You have about the same chance of being murdered in Canada as being killed in a foreign country while on vacation.
Current wild guess on the AZ vaccine but blood clots in the 1:250 000 range or about %40 lower than ending up dead on a vacation.
yeah it was a flippant comment on my part but the math (post below) surprisingly holds up better than you would think and I'd rather back up my flippant bullshit than just let it steam like a politician.
https://baliswing.com/gallery
So quick story. few years back I went to this place linked above. They are massive swings over a gorge 50km's north of the drunken aussie area of beaches in Bali in an area know for yoga. This place is endless hoards of women wearing long dresses going on these swings of death in a third world country held together with 20 year old rotting ropes taking pictures of themselves not realizing the danger they are in for Instagram. For every guy there are literally 100 women in long ass dresses.
Me and the wife were there with 2 other couples not realizing the yoga nature of the area. The wives were all having spa day and the guys were getting drunk at one of the 8 pools (https://www.themansionbali.com/ like under $100 a night) and we were noticing that we were the only 3 guys at the entire hotel. like 150 women no men. We were having drinks bought for us we had food sent over to us and to be fair we are middle aged fat guys who are balding.
Due to the yoga nature of the region evidently straight men are not a common thing.