When the virus gets ahead of the containment measures the morgues overflow and the bodies are stacked in rented reefer trailers. Those bodies are parents, grandparents, and all ages with health issues.
You are perfectly within your rights to be OK with this.
Viruses are simple things and they mutate easily. There have been dozens of these covid variants since covid first appeared. but most are not a great threat. They mutate better in unvaccinated people. The more unvaccinated people there are the greater the chance they will produce a truly terrible variant.
Already we've seen that the alpha and delta variants are more transmissible than the original virus but the current vaccines are pretty effective against them. The newest variant to be concerned about is the lambda. They are still working out exactly how transmissible and how deadly it is, and how effective the current vaccines are against it.
You are perfectly free to ignore this too. You don't have to listen to anyone you don't want to. You can believe all those experts are lying to you.
In Canada there was some limited use of additional refrigeration space, but this wasn't I believe due to excess mortality from covid, rather delaying how bodies are handled due to covid restrictions.
As for the USA, well it's interesting how the media hyped "overflowing" morgues and blamed it all on Trump, yet here's an interesting article published by the NYT just before the "pandemic" began:
Many countries haven't seen significantly higher mortality rates, some countries like Sweden which had fewer restrictions fared better than those that imposed harsher restrictions.
In Canada there was some limited use of additional refrigeration space
Yes, Canada, where public health measures were implemented earlier than some other places in the world.
article published by the NYT
I don't have a New York Times account, so I can't read the article. Can you cut and paste the parts where it talks about storing bodies in refrigerated trailers?
Meanwhile, here's a twitter post from the NYT illustrating the increase in deaths when the virus gets ahead of the public health measures. Note the spike in deaths a couple of months after the article you referenced.
(https://twitter.com/i/events/1255503813345267714?lang=en)
I accept that the hit to the economy has been brutal, and I wish it was as easy to illustrate as the medical outcomes. It's a global pandemic. Everybody hurts.
I don't subscribe to the NYT. All you need to know is the title. This issue with "overflowing" morgues was a problem before covid, not because of it.
Not "fatality rate from covid" -- the country's mortality rate. Deaths from all causes. While Sweden may have had more people "with covid" die, overall the country's mortality rate was about the same as previous years, and better than countries with harsher lockdown measures. It may seem insensitive, but the fact of the matter is many people who died of covid would have died soon anyway. Do you know how many people die in LTCs every year? Average residency is 1.5 years I believe.
For anyone else following this discussion: Basing your argument on just the title of an article - not its content - is pretty shallow research. It's only one small step above just making stuff up.
The take-away is that the virus has the potential to overwhelm the healthcare system, which s set up for "normal" times. People who would normally be treated for regular emergencies can't get in.
Not "fatality rate from covid"
Except that it IS the fatality rate from covid. Anyone who wants to can follow the link and see the numbers.
I know. You look up in the sky and you see right away that both the sun and the moon go around the earth. It's as plain as the nose on your face. You don't need no fuckin' scientist to tell you that's not how it works. You're not that dumb.
If you, like GunsnCrutches, didn't have time to read the article here are some high points:
Three doctors, a hospital communications official, and Alberta Health Services all spoke about the fact that some hospitals in Alberta were swamped.
Dr. Daisy Fung, Dr. Ilan Schwartz, Dr. Miriam Berchuk,
Kerry Williamson, Alberta Health Services
Here are a couple of quotes.
"As of Sunday, another seven COVID-19 patients were admitted to Alberta ICUs, bringing the total to 95, well above the government’s benchmark of 70 ICU beds"
"From March and June, surgeries fell 47 per cent compared to 2019, meaning a total of 335,000 procedures never took place. Life-saving and urgent surgeries (pacemaker insertions, cancer surgeries, fractures, heart bypasses) dropped 17 and 21 per cent, respectively"
I don't think there's much point in listening to anything GunsnCrutches has to say unless they get out of their own head and join us here in the real world.
When the virus gets ahead of the containment measures the morgues overflow and the bodies are stacked in rented reefer trailers. Those bodies are parents, grandparents, and all ages with health issues.
You are perfectly within your rights to be OK with this.
Viruses are simple things and they mutate easily. There have been dozens of these covid variants since covid first appeared. but most are not a great threat. They mutate better in unvaccinated people. The more unvaccinated people there are the greater the chance they will produce a truly terrible variant.
Already we've seen that the alpha and delta variants are more transmissible than the original virus but the current vaccines are pretty effective against them. The newest variant to be concerned about is the lambda. They are still working out exactly how transmissible and how deadly it is, and how effective the current vaccines are against it.
You are perfectly free to ignore this too. You don't have to listen to anyone you don't want to. You can believe all those experts are lying to you.
In Canada there was some limited use of additional refrigeration space, but this wasn't I believe due to excess mortality from covid, rather delaying how bodies are handled due to covid restrictions.
As for the USA, well it's interesting how the media hyped "overflowing" morgues and blamed it all on Trump, yet here's an interesting article published by the NYT just before the "pandemic" began:
"Piled Bodies, Overflowing Morgues: Inside America’s Autopsy Crisis" https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/25/magazine/piled-bodies-overflowing-morgues-inside-americas-autopsy-crisis.html
Many countries haven't seen significantly higher mortality rates, some countries like Sweden which had fewer restrictions fared better than those that imposed harsher restrictions.
Yes, Canada, where public health measures were implemented earlier than some other places in the world.
I don't have a New York Times account, so I can't read the article. Can you cut and paste the parts where it talks about storing bodies in refrigerated trailers?
Meanwhile, here's a twitter post from the NYT illustrating the increase in deaths when the virus gets ahead of the public health measures. Note the spike in deaths a couple of months after the article you referenced. (https://twitter.com/i/events/1255503813345267714?lang=en)
Where the fatality rate from covid is more than twice as high as Canada's. Canada's fatality rate is 37% of the States', and Sweden's is 77%. (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries)
I accept that the hit to the economy has been brutal, and I wish it was as easy to illustrate as the medical outcomes. It's a global pandemic. Everybody hurts.
I don't subscribe to the NYT. All you need to know is the title. This issue with "overflowing" morgues was a problem before covid, not because of it.
Not "fatality rate from covid" -- the country's mortality rate. Deaths from all causes. While Sweden may have had more people "with covid" die, overall the country's mortality rate was about the same as previous years, and better than countries with harsher lockdown measures. It may seem insensitive, but the fact of the matter is many people who died of covid would have died soon anyway. Do you know how many people die in LTCs every year? Average residency is 1.5 years I believe.
Sure.
For anyone else following this discussion: Basing your argument on just the title of an article - not its content - is pretty shallow research. It's only one small step above just making stuff up.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-federal-memo-reveals-trucks-used-for-dead-2020-5
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/fema-is-sending-85-refrigerated-trucks-to-new-york-city-to-serve-as-temporary-morgues-2020-04-01
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/05/15/coronavirus-temporary-morgues-trucks-can-haul-food-again-fda-says/5202538002/
The take-away is that the virus has the potential to overwhelm the healthcare system, which s set up for "normal" times. People who would normally be treated for regular emergencies can't get in.
Except that it IS the fatality rate from covid. Anyone who wants to can follow the link and see the numbers.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
I know. You look up in the sky and you see right away that both the sun and the moon go around the earth. It's as plain as the nose on your face. You don't need no fuckin' scientist to tell you that's not how it works. You're not that dumb.
https://www.macleans.ca/society/health/icus-in-alberta-are-drowning-say-doctors-ive-never-had-this-happen-in-all-my-years-of-practice/
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If you, like GunsnCrutches, didn't have time to read the article here are some high points:
Three doctors, a hospital communications official, and Alberta Health Services all spoke about the fact that some hospitals in Alberta were swamped.
Dr. Daisy Fung, Dr. Ilan Schwartz, Dr. Miriam Berchuk, Kerry Williamson, Alberta Health Services
Here are a couple of quotes.
"As of Sunday, another seven COVID-19 patients were admitted to Alberta ICUs, bringing the total to 95, well above the government’s benchmark of 70 ICU beds"
"From March and June, surgeries fell 47 per cent compared to 2019, meaning a total of 335,000 procedures never took place. Life-saving and urgent surgeries (pacemaker insertions, cancer surgeries, fractures, heart bypasses) dropped 17 and 21 per cent, respectively"
I don't think there's much point in listening to anything GunsnCrutches has to say unless they get out of their own head and join us here in the real world.