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Ham_Sandwich77 [S] 4 points ago +5 / -1

And if in two months (December) the death rate will be considerable lower than in 2020, will you make a post that the vaccines are working?

Yes, I will. You can hold me to that. I'm not trying to push an anti-vax agenda. I've been prov-vax all along. I'm only making an observation here.

How many people die while they are fully vaccinated vs. not vaccinated and compare that to the overall vaccination rate.

Here you go. Feel free to do the math.

Alberta for example publishes that data.

This Alberta?

Now, what is your deal? How do you NOT see a problem here? A year into the vaccinations and we're doing no better than we were this time last year. We're doing worse in fact.

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RightOfSask 0 points ago +1 / -1

Yes, I will. You can hold me to that.

I will. And I want you to pin the post then with the statement that the vaccines are working.

Here you go. Feel free to do the math.

Where do I see in your graphs how many of the Covid deaths were vaccinated or not?

This Alberta?

We already had this conversation. Alberta is not counting everybody who is staying at home as Covid case. Ezra was pushing fake news.

How do you NOT see a problem here?

Because it doesn't show if vaccinated people are dying. Here is the table of Covid deaths with their vaccination status in Alberta from the last 120 days.

https://imgur.com/gCfGuTg.png

The death rate per 100k of unvaccinated people is more than 10 to 50 times higher (depending on the age group) compared to vaccinated people.

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Ham_Sandwich77 [S] 3 points ago +5 / -2

Where do I see in your graphs how many of the Covid deaths were vaccinated or not?

You know that 71% of the population are vaccinated in sample B, compared 0% in sample A.

If absolute infections and deaths are both higher in sample B, there's absolutely no way to conclude that B is an improvement over A. Stop trying to be contrarian. There's no way to spin this. We're doing worse after after the vaccinations than before. Absent some alternative explanation, that says something about the efficacy of the vaccinations.

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RightOfSask 0 points ago +1 / -1

You know that 71% of the population are vaccinated in sample B, compared 0% in sample A.

I want to know how many of the Covid deaths are vaccinated, because that determines how effective the vaccine is. You can't see that in the graphs you posted.

If absolute infections and deaths are both higher in sample B, there's absolutely no way to conclude that B is an improvement over A.

It is. When 70% of the deaths are unvaccinated while they make up only 20% of the population, then you can easily conclude that the vaccines are effective.

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Ham_Sandwich77 [S] 1 point ago +3 / -2

I want to know how many of the Covid deaths are vaccinated, because that determines how effective the vaccine is. You can't see that in the graphs you posted.

If I take two groups of 100 people, vaccinate one at 71% and don't vaccinate the other at all, and the vaccinated group performs the same if not worse than the unvaccinated group in terms of case counts and deaths, then "The vaccines didn't help" is a very reasonable observation to make. You're just grasping at straws right now.