The Lancet: Stigmatising The Unvaccinated Is Not Justified
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Ho Hum. Anyone who pretends the vaccinated do not catch the virus, pass it on, get sick, or die is either not keep up or being willfully disruptive. They do all of that, but they do it at a lower rate than the unvaccinated.
This means that healthcare systems are less taxed by the vaccinated, and they are therefore more able to service the needs of people with "normal" medical problems. You can go to https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data and see that in Ontario on Dec 9 2021 a large minority of the people in hospital for covid are not vaccinated, and that they come from the small minority of the population that remains unvaccinated. To call in a "pandemic of the unvaccinated" is perfectly apt.
I'll add that it seems pretty cheesy for a WordPress blog to use the name of The Lancet, one of the world's premier medical publications. It's a pathetic attempt at appropriating some legitimacy.
Here's the actual link from the lancet you sniveling little RAT.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02243-1/fulltext
I bow to your superior Internet search skills.
First: Cheesiness. The article is not "Written by thelancet.com". It is written by a guy with concerns about labels: Günter Kampf. More about him in another comment.
Günter Kampf feels labeling it a pandemic of the unvaccinated might lull some of the vaccinated into thinking they don't have to worry about following the public health guidelines about mask wearing, hand washing, social distancing, and so forth. I wonder how much of a concern that is, and I note that he doesn't state that it is NOT a pandemic of the unvaccinated, just that he thinks the label is bad. He doesn't argue with any of the points made in the papers he cites.
So that's one way of looking at it. On the other hand the unvaccinated are many, many times more likely to be hospitalized than the vaccinated (see the Toronto Star reference below). When the unvaccinated represent a large majority of the people in the hospitals and especially the ICUs but they come from a small minority of the population I think 'pandemic of the unvaccinated is appropriate'. See the Ontario hospitalization data for Dec 9 2021: https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data
Back on August 17 2021 the Toronto Star crunched some numbers and came up with this: "Unvaccinated Ontarians are ending up in Hospital with COVID-19 20 times as often as fully vaccinated individuals and in the last week have been about 70 times more likely to end up in intensive care..." https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2021/08/16/we-broke-down-the-hospitalization-risk-of-going-unvaccinated-in-ontario-heres-what-the-numbers-say.html
On that day, August 17 2021, there were 348 new cases of covid in Ontario. Today, Dec 9, there are 1290. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E28C0ylUQ0hHgFySFpXtdjX_LkdY5tlhl-nt0SGhCDg/edit#gid=764546978
Comment #2: the person who actually wrote the paper.
Günter Kampf is concerned about the perception that vaccinated people are seen as unlikely to pass the virus on, both in the paper referrenced earlier and another one: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(21)00258-1/fulltext
He is so concerned that in that other one he fails to mention that his number one reference is a paper which points out that the viral load in vaccinated people falls faster than that of unvaccinated people, limiting - comparatively - the number of people a vaccinated person could infect: "Fully vaccinated individuals with delta variant infection had a faster (posterior probability >0·84) mean rate of viral load decline (0·95 log10 copies per mL per day) than did unvaccinated individuals with pre-alpha (0·69), alpha (0·82), or delta (0·79) variant infections." https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext
You must be a really bad government employee to get assigned to this site to spread vaccine propaganda
I'm sorry you're so fearful of all this change and uncertainty.
Don't worry buddy there's a special place in hell reserved for people like you
Superstitious too. Well, whatever floats your boat.
You're having trouble with the fact that vaccinated people can catch and spread the virus, aren't you?
What you appear not to understand is that vaccinated people, overall, don't get as sick and don't spread it as easily as the unvaccinated. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.20.21262158v1
Both of these effects - not getting as sick and not passing it on as easily - reduce the load on the healthcare system and increases the chance that someone with non-covid medical troubles will get the care they need.
From your link: "If this continues then 30-50 year olds will have 100% immune system degradation, zero viral defence by Christmas"
So it's 10 days to Christmas. How accurate was that prediction?
Nothing after a year of vaccinations. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-03273-0