Daily, Tuesday to Saturday, it says. And the date is displayed quite prominently near the top of the page. https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data
"Am not sure ... I assume ... maybe ... we also don't know ... what are they in hospital for ... I assume ... It doesn't say ... It doesn't say ... I would imagine ... possibly ... Perhaps ... I have no idea ... It isn't telling us ... more detail ... are they ... ? are they ... ? Maybe ... ? ... chart doesn't tell us ... nor does it tell us ... or ... or ... No detail ... or ... does not indicate ... We also don't know ...or ... or whether..."
Whew! Sorry you were having such a hard time with the information on that page.
It tells you that as of 10-Jan-2022 your chances of being hospitalized with covid are reduced by 77.4% if you have two doses of a vaccine, and with two doses your chances of winding up in the ICU are reduced by 90%.
This means that the more people who are vaccinated the fewer will wind up in the hospital or ICU, and that will reduce the strain on the healthcare system. Then maybe they can resume doing non-emergency surgeries again.
Not having a hard time with the info at all. The only hard time was with the fact that there wasnt much information at all - hence me observing-
the flaws or holes in the data. The pie charts on that page are woefully vague, and raise many questions as to the specificity of the data.
You attack the fact that I was disclaiming I didn't know about missing data points: Eg.
"Can't see anything giving an age or comorbidity breakdown."
But yet I posit If I had said:
"Can't see anything giving an age or comorbidity breakdown, but I bet most of them are old and or fat" - you would attack that as "knowing", or being an "expert", or wanting "a link for that".
But shall we go over the numbers again, as that's the only part that matters.
in hosp but not the ICU. Jabbed- 1478 people. Unjabbed - 457. So a smidge over 75% 3/4 are jabbed, Slightly less than 25% 1/4 are unjabbed.
in the ICU.. Jabbed, 155. Unjabbed 123. Over 9/16ths or 56.25% are jabbed.
Total over 2 charts in hosp, 580 non jab, 1633 jabbed.
More people are in hospital that are vaxxed than un vaxxed. Who can tell us why that is? AGAIN, just because someone is in hospital, and they happen to be "positive" vaxed or not, doesnt follow that they are in there because of COVID. They may have a broken leg. Thats what I was driving at. Those charts are practically useless.
As far as the point quote:
"chances of being hospitalized with covid are reduced by 77.4% if you have 2 doses of a vaccine, and with 2 doses your chances of winding up in the ICU are reduced by 90%."
Okay, so then why is there more vaxxed in the hospitals overall (and ICU) than unvaxxed? 580 non, 1633 vaxxed.
The good news about this where you said:
"This means that the more people who are vaccinated the fewer will wind up in the hospital or ICU, and that will reduce the strain on the healthcare system. Then maybe they can resume doing non-emergency surgeries again."
...That there is no "strain" on Ont Health care over corona. Ontario has 48,700 beds. 1.19% of the bed capcity in hospital are non jabbed, and 3.35% of the bed capacity are jabbed. 4.5% capacity of beds in hospital are testing positive, irrespective of jab.
Leaving about 46,000 beds left. If that isn't plenty then I don't know what is. Routine surgeries could start now. If they aren't, then that's on them, not us.
Daily, Tuesday to Saturday, it says. And the date is displayed quite prominently near the top of the page. https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data
"Am not sure ... I assume ... maybe ... we also don't know ... what are they in hospital for ... I assume ... It doesn't say ... It doesn't say ... I would imagine ... possibly ... Perhaps ... I have no idea ... It isn't telling us ... more detail ... are they ... ? are they ... ? Maybe ... ? ... chart doesn't tell us ... nor does it tell us ... or ... or ... No detail ... or ... does not indicate ... We also don't know ...or ... or whether..."
Whew! Sorry you were having such a hard time with the information on that page.
Perhaps this page will help: https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/ontario-dashboard/
It tells you that as of 10-Jan-2022 your chances of being hospitalized with covid are reduced by 77.4% if you have two doses of a vaccine, and with two doses your chances of winding up in the ICU are reduced by 90%.
This means that the more people who are vaccinated the fewer will wind up in the hospital or ICU, and that will reduce the strain on the healthcare system. Then maybe they can resume doing non-emergency surgeries again.
Not having a hard time with the info at all. The only hard time was with the fact that there wasnt much information at all - hence me observing-
the flaws or holes in the data. The pie charts on that page are woefully vague, and raise many questions as to the specificity of the data.
You attack the fact that I was disclaiming I didn't know about missing data points: Eg. "Can't see anything giving an age or comorbidity breakdown."
But yet I posit If I had said: "Can't see anything giving an age or comorbidity breakdown, but I bet most of them are old and or fat" - you would attack that as "knowing", or being an "expert", or wanting "a link for that".
But shall we go over the numbers again, as that's the only part that matters.
in hosp but not the ICU. Jabbed- 1478 people. Unjabbed - 457. So a smidge over 75% 3/4 are jabbed, Slightly less than 25% 1/4 are unjabbed.
in the ICU.. Jabbed, 155. Unjabbed 123. Over 9/16ths or 56.25% are jabbed.
Total over 2 charts in hosp, 580 non jab, 1633 jabbed.
More people are in hospital that are vaxxed than un vaxxed. Who can tell us why that is? AGAIN, just because someone is in hospital, and they happen to be "positive" vaxed or not, doesnt follow that they are in there because of COVID. They may have a broken leg. Thats what I was driving at. Those charts are practically useless.
As far as the point quote: "chances of being hospitalized with covid are reduced by 77.4% if you have 2 doses of a vaccine, and with 2 doses your chances of winding up in the ICU are reduced by 90%."
Okay, so then why is there more vaxxed in the hospitals overall (and ICU) than unvaxxed? 580 non, 1633 vaxxed.
The good news about this where you said:
"This means that the more people who are vaccinated the fewer will wind up in the hospital or ICU, and that will reduce the strain on the healthcare system. Then maybe they can resume doing non-emergency surgeries again."
...That there is no "strain" on Ont Health care over corona. Ontario has 48,700 beds. 1.19% of the bed capcity in hospital are non jabbed, and 3.35% of the bed capacity are jabbed. 4.5% capacity of beds in hospital are testing positive, irrespective of jab.
Leaving about 46,000 beds left. If that isn't plenty then I don't know what is. Routine surgeries could start now. If they aren't, then that's on them, not us.