Lotsa cherry-picking going on here. Allow me to do some of my own. The TL:DR version is this: Someone with training, experience, and access does some research and publishes something. Then Steve who has no training or experience in the field explains why the qualified people are wrong. OP will, when challenged, sidestep because they hadn't read the links they are promoting.
This is the title of that Harvard study (PMID: 34591202): "Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States" https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34591202/ You will note that is exactly the opposite of Steve's statement that "the more you vaccinate, the worse things get."
This study offers three explanations for the numbers they found. The only one mentioned in Steve's link is the only one that matches his and OP's narrative. Furthermore, the period of this study of excess deaths is early September to early October 2021, during which time excess deaths in Germany averaged 8% (https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid), covid deaths there averaged about 46 people per day, and over 2 million people were vaccinated. (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1195560/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccinations-number-germany/) Hard to believe so few deaths could be so significant in a country of over 84 million people.
The Denmark Study says "Our study provides evidence of protection against infection with the Omicron variant after completion of a primary vaccination series..." but not as good as against Delta. I assume everyone knows that now.
No fancy arguments needed here. The claim is "German Government Data for the alleged Omicron variant of Covid-19, suggests that most of the “fully vaccinated” will have full blown Covid-19 vaccine induced acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) by the end of January 2022". Fine. Just 16 more days to go to see how accurate that prediction is.
Of course. There are so many more vaccinated people than unvaccinated that this is not surprising. If "ratio" and "proportion" are kinda vague terms for you you can stop reading here. Otherwise you can follow the link to the report and read Table 13. There you will find that - for example - if you are between 30 and 39 and unvaccinated in the UK it looks like your chances of being hospitalized after testing positive are almost 3 times greater, your chances of dying within 28 days are 6.5 times greater, and your chances of dying within 60 days are 4 times greater. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1045329/Vaccine_surveillance_report_week_1_2022.pdf
Wasn't promoting nothing. It's a study that made the news and relevant to MetaCanada because its from the U of AB. I posted the quotes directly from someone I could find that was in the high visibility public sphere that wanted to obviously comment, rather than just posting a dry link and not putting any publicly available comments.
No comment was made by me, or if you should, or shouldnt, or like or not like the quotes directly taken from steve. I didn't even say it was true or not. Thats for others to judge for yourself. As you did.
As for this:
"Note that they conveniently left out some information: "among citizens of 60 years or older. 89.821 occurred among the fully vaccinated (89.7%)" Since we already know Omicron spreads through both vaccinated and unvaccinated, and over 90% of the population over 60 the UK is fully vaccinated, most of the infections that occur in people "60 years or older" are going to occur in vaccinated people. Duh!"
So the message remains the same. Get vaccinated so you don't become one of the people in the hospital unnecessarily."
Yes, you keep saying that. "get vaccinated! Get vaccinated! Get vaccinated!". People have done. There is no "more" "get vaccinated!" to get.
We are at 90% jabbed. How much higher do you posit the country should go?
Lotsa cherry-picking going on here. Allow me to do some of my own. The TL:DR version is this: Someone with training, experience, and access does some research and publishes something. Then Steve who has no training or experience in the field explains why the qualified people are wrong. OP will, when challenged, sidestep because they hadn't read the links they are promoting.
This is an opinion piece by James Lyons-Weiler, who holds no relevant credentials.
This is the title of that Harvard study (PMID: 34591202): "Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States" https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34591202/ You will note that is exactly the opposite of Steve's statement that "the more you vaccinate, the worse things get."
This study offers three explanations for the numbers they found. The only one mentioned in Steve's link is the only one that matches his and OP's narrative. Furthermore, the period of this study of excess deaths is early September to early October 2021, during which time excess deaths in Germany averaged 8% (https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid), covid deaths there averaged about 46 people per day, and over 2 million people were vaccinated. (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1195560/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccinations-number-germany/) Hard to believe so few deaths could be so significant in a country of over 84 million people.
The Denmark Study says "Our study provides evidence of protection against infection with the Omicron variant after completion of a primary vaccination series..." but not as good as against Delta. I assume everyone knows that now.
As for boosting every 30 days: here is the Denmark study. Read it yourself. It does not say that. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.20.21267966v3
No fancy arguments needed here. The claim is "German Government Data for the alleged Omicron variant of Covid-19, suggests that most of the “fully vaccinated” will have full blown Covid-19 vaccine induced acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) by the end of January 2022". Fine. Just 16 more days to go to see how accurate that prediction is.
Of course. There are so many more vaccinated people than unvaccinated that this is not surprising. If "ratio" and "proportion" are kinda vague terms for you you can stop reading here. Otherwise you can follow the link to the report and read Table 13. There you will find that - for example - if you are between 30 and 39 and unvaccinated in the UK it looks like your chances of being hospitalized after testing positive are almost 3 times greater, your chances of dying within 28 days are 6.5 times greater, and your chances of dying within 60 days are 4 times greater. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1045329/Vaccine_surveillance_report_week_1_2022.pdf
Note that they conveniently left out some information: "among citizens of 60 years or older. 89.821 occurred among the fully vaccinated (89.7%)" Since we already know Omicron spreads through both vaccinated and unvaccinated, and over 90% of the population over 60 the UK is fully vaccinated, most of the infections that occur in people "60 years or older" are going to occur in vaccinated people. Duh! https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1043608/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_51.pdf
So the message remains the same. Get vaccinated so you don't become one of the people in the hospital unnecessarily.
Wasn't promoting nothing. It's a study that made the news and relevant to MetaCanada because its from the U of AB. I posted the quotes directly from someone I could find that was in the high visibility public sphere that wanted to obviously comment, rather than just posting a dry link and not putting any publicly available comments.
No comment was made by me, or if you should, or shouldnt, or like or not like the quotes directly taken from steve. I didn't even say it was true or not. Thats for others to judge for yourself. As you did.
As for this:
"Note that they conveniently left out some information: "among citizens of 60 years or older. 89.821 occurred among the fully vaccinated (89.7%)" Since we already know Omicron spreads through both vaccinated and unvaccinated, and over 90% of the population over 60 the UK is fully vaccinated, most of the infections that occur in people "60 years or older" are going to occur in vaccinated people. Duh!"
So the message remains the same. Get vaccinated so you don't become one of the people in the hospital unnecessarily."
Yes, you keep saying that. "get vaccinated! Get vaccinated! Get vaccinated!". People have done. There is no "more" "get vaccinated!" to get.
See?
There are some .win community members who sound like they could get vaccinated but choose not to.
Unvaccinated people are over-represented in the hospitals and ICUs
The only thing "challenged" was Steve Kirch's commentary. Which you did.
I presented the article as Canadian content, due to it being from U of A, which you have not commented on that study, just Steve's comments.
I even put a disclaimer in it about the paper being A. A preprint, and B. saying "alledgedly".
Its a forum where one posts Canadian angled content about current events.
"There are some .win community members who sound like they could get vaccinated but choose not to."
Oh? Whom?
"Unvaccinated people are over-represented in the hospitals and ICUs"
This board can argue back all day wether it is or isnt. If it is,
So what? It's already been shown on other posts and from Ontario numbers alone that the hospitals are hardly "stretched" Bed wise.
See?
You can't find any? I believe that falls under "willful blindness"
And the elective surgeries?