Ontario Dashboard used to explicitly list the definition of unvaccinated as patients with: no dose, or 1 dose under 14 days or “unknown” or “undeclared” status..
They removed this definition in January.
An overwhelming percentage of reported cardiac and thrombotic events occur within 14 days of vaccination. These patients are counted as "unvaccinated" using Ontario's and the CDC's dishonest definition but, by any logical standard, these people should be considered partially vaccinated.
Thanks for that. It says their definition of "Unknown" is that those 121 patients do not show up as vaccinated in the Australian Immunisation Register. Leave it to V&C1 to twist that into only one patient being unvaccinated.
It also says "The minority of the overall population who have not been vaccinated are significantly overrepresented among patients in hospitals and ICUs with COVID-19." But V&C1 wouldn't tell you that in a million years.
It says their definition of "Unknown" is that those 121 patients do not show up as vaccinated in the Australian Immunisation Register.
This doesn't refudiate VaxedAndContagious1's headline. They're showing the stats separately now.
The minority of the overall population who have not been vaccinated are significantly overrepresented among patients in hospitals and ICUs with COVID-19.
Only if you count "unknown" as "unvaccinated.” What do you think the point of this post was?
How about this line from the link, though:
There were 98 COVID-19 deaths reported this week. Of these, 97 were eligible for a third dose of a COVID-19
vaccine but only 64 (66%) had received a third dose.
Nice way of saying that 97-out-of-98 of the deaths were fully vaccinated. Didn't these people get the covid vaccine specifically not to die?
Didn't these people get the covid vaccine specifically not to die?
The first vaccine appeared in December of 2020 and you cannot come up with a single link where any infectious disease specialist or public health official claimed that it or any other vaccine was 100% guaranteed to prevent anyone dying or getting sick from covid-19.
Yet here it is 18 months later and people like you are asking why vaccinated people are getting sick or dying. It's hard to believe that you have been missing all those memos.
So why do you continue to pretend the vaccine should provide that guarantee?
CDC propaganda promised that the vaccines were 100 percent effective against death and hospitalization. Now the triple vaccinated and double vaccinated are getting infected and dying off at 900% higher rate than the unvaccinated.
This is finally your apology for spreading lies and finally admitting the vaccine is doing more harm to the fully vaccinated.
Thank you for admitting the vaccine if doing more harm
They claimed it was 95% and 94.5% effective (only 5% and 5.5% of those who got symptomatically infected during the clinical trial were vaccinated).
The demographics represented in the trial should be 95% disease free. Older and sicker people will of course get sick, but math the mathematical comparison of age cohort to age cohort, adjusted for pre-existing conditions, should show that there have been more than twice as many unvaccinated infected as vaccinated. 5% of 90% VS 100% of 10%.
If this is not the case, the vaccine has less efficacy than was claimed. It's baffling that anyone would argue that the 2020 wild spike vaccines targeting a pathogen that replicates primarily in the lungs, are going to have the same efficacy against a distant descendant that's had evolutionary pressures to circumvent reliance on the wild spike and which replicates in the upper respiratory tract. You appear to be that anyone and are incapable of just moving on and admitting that mandates that might have been arguable as appropriate out of an abundance of caution, are no longer proportionate or rational during the omicron waves.
Imagine risking your heart to not get a cold but then getting the cold anyway.
u/Tuchodi is the perfect example of every Public Health politician. They read a piece of paper handed to them, theyre paid to parrot content they don’t have the ability to understand.
Their ego, lack of education and refusal to acknowledge the abject failure and catastrophic VE is reflected in all of Tuchodi’s posts. The more she posts, the more it is obvious how little she knows
You can keep lying and keep pretending that Fauci and the CDC are not on camera lying about vaccinated people not carry the virus or that the vaccine has “almost 100% death and severe illness prevention”, if that makes you feel less uneducated.
You obviously have a Snopes and a Politifact subscription Tuchodi, you copy paste Politifact and Snopes links the good trained monkey you are.
Denying the CDC director and Fauci didn’t promise highly efficacious, 100p efficacy makes you look like a deranged liar.
Fauci and the CDC director are on camera saying “almost 100p efficacious at prevent death and severe disease” and “the vaccinated don’t carry the virus”
Keep denying and keep lying. No one here takes you seriously and everyone sees you are an uneducated monkey, copy pasting content you admitted yourself you don’t have the ability to understand
Only abstinence is 100% effective at stopping infection. But we can't abstain from breathing. We could get close if we were 24/7 in respirators, but this isn't the 12 monkeys plague.
Either of these will get you around paywalls. 95% was the initial claim and was considered good enough that mandates were justified. 95% is well within the threshold for herd immunity at 70% uptake and it seems it actually was with the Wuhan strain, as it's gone extinct. For herd immunity, you need to remove enough vectors to collapse the R0 of a given strain. This either comes about naturally, behaviourally, or is induced through vaccination/prophylaxis/treatment.
For other people's benefit since you seem to give zero shits about efficacy as they pertain to vaccine mandates:
With the delta variant, efficacy fell to 60-80%. Even at the high end, 20% is four times greater than 5%. At the low end, 40% is eight times greater than 5%. So, if it's equally infectious as the origin strain, and we need to remove 70% of vectors, then @80% efficacy we're looking at (70% * .95%)/80% = 83% vaccination rate to stop delta at the high efficacy end or (70% * .95%)/60% = 110% vaccination rate to stop delta at the low efficacy end.
So 83% to 110% of the population needs to be vaccinated to eradicate delta. Adjust the number down for the ratio of naturally immune.
With omicron, efficacy falls to 5-15% for fully vaccinated people at 6 months. The herd immunity threshold is also going to be higher because it's an upper respiratory virus. Let's be generous say that doubling R0 means we only have to halve the # of vectors in the herd immunity equation. So we had 30% or so being infectious = covid just dies. Half of 30% is 15%. We need to remove 85% of people as vectors.
OK. So full vaccination at the high end provides 15% protection against symptomatic infection at the high end. (85% * .95%)/15% = 538% of the population needs to be fully vaccinated to stop the spread. OK that's impossible, so calculating the low end isn't worth it.
But for 2-12 weeks after a third dose, someone has 60-80% protection against infection. So let's see if we can get that number to 100% to eradicate the omicron variant.
(85% * .95%)/80% = 101%
We can sort of maybe eradiate omicron if 100% of the population is perpetually kept at 2-12 weeks since the third dose and it turns out the highest estimates of efficacy for this group are true. They're actually run down for weeks 0-2 though, so 16.667% of the time, people are going to need to be in a hard quarantine.
^^^
This is what you'd have to mandate, by the numbers, to eradicate COVID-19. Assuming naturally immunity doesn't exist.
Just saying that vaccine efficacy has become moot as far as eradication goes and Canada is now counting on blindly blundering out of COVID-19 in a borderline retarded fugue because we can't allow ourselves to understand how things actually work because the preached to masses of hysterical bigots will melt down when release comes from reasons that are forbidden to explain.
As for mandates, it's hard to imagine them going on much longer, and this discussion thread is actually about spreading misinformation about a persistent lie that covid vaccines were supposed to guarantee 100% protection from the virus.
It’s worth repeating, but it so obviously went way over your head.
So I’ll post what he said again.
“For other people's benefit since you seem to give zero shits about efficacy as they pertain to vaccine mandates: With the delta variant, efficacy fell to 60-80%. Even at the high end, 20% is four times greater than 5%. At the low end, 40% is eight times greater than 5%. So, if it's equally infectious as the origin strain, and we need to remove 70% of vectors, then @80% efficacy we're looking at (70% * .95%)/80% = 83% vaccination rate to stop delta at the high efficacy end or (70% * .95%)/60% = 110% vaccination rate to stop delta at the low efficacy end.
So 83% to 110% of the population needs to be vaccinated to eradicate delta. Adjust the number down for the ratio of naturally immune.
With omicron, efficacy falls to 5-15% for fully vaccinated people at 6 months. The herd immunity threshold is also going to be higher because it's an upper respiratory virus. Let's be generous say that doubling R0 means we only have to halve the # of vectors in the herd immunity equation. So we had 30% or so being infectious = covid just dies. Half of 30% is 15%. We need to remove 85% of people as vectors.
OK. So full vaccination at the high end provides 15% protection against symptomatic infection at the high end. (85% * .95%)/15% = 538% of the population needs to be fully vaccinated to stop the spread. OK that's impossible, so calculating the low end isn't worth it.
But for 2-12 weeks after a third dose, someone has 60-80% protection against infection. So let's see if we can get that number to 100% to eradicate the omicron variant. (85% * .95%)/80% = 101% We can sort of maybe eradiate omicron if 100% of the population is perpetually kept at 2-12 weeks since the third dose and it turns out the highest estimates of efficacy for this group are true. They're actually run down for weeks 0-2 though, so 16.667% of the time, people are going to need to be in a hard quarantine. ^^^This is what you'd have to mandate, by the numbers, to eradicate COVID-19. Assuming naturally immunity doesn't exist.
Just saying that vaccine efficacy has become moot as far as eradication goes and Canada is now counting on blindly blundering out of COVID-19 in a borderline retarded fugue because we can't allow ourselves to understand how things actually work because the preached to masses of hysterical bigots will melt down when release comes from reasons that are forbidden to explain.”
I dumbed it down for you, and put in bold characters the only words you’ll be able to understand. Interestingly, it’s also the only ones that apply to you.
The trained monkey is back with more fake propaganda.
Tuchodi also thinks that “PROBABLE” covid and “POSSIBLE” Covid should be counted as confirmed covid so it makes sense that she supports fraudulent and inaccurate reporting.
The Sinovac vax made in China and other shots accepted in South East Asia and African countries are not recognized in the Australian digital vax database. These fully vaxed patients get the “Undeclared” or “Unknown status”.
CoronaVac/Sinovac, Sinopharm, Covaxin, Sputnik V, Sputnik Light, CanSinoBIO used to all be reported as unvaccinated since these vaccines are not digitally sealed.
All fully vaccinated patients admitted for heart attacks and cardiac events the day after or less than 2 weeks after their mRNA shot: all reported as unvaccinated or not fully vaxed.
And all patients found alone unresponsive, altered status homeless, addicts, overdose patients, or patients who refuse to declare their status used to all be falsely declared “unvaccinated”
Your unsupported opinions are noted. Along with the fact that for your original post to be accurate 121 people who don't show up on the list of people who are vaccinated all have to be in fact vaccinated. Otherwise it's just another of your fictions.
You know which fictions I'm talking about? it's the ones where you support your anti-vax narrative with a site that says the vaccines are effective.
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/weekly-covid-overview-20220528.pdf
I wonder how many government health units have been grouping unknown with unvaccinated?
Ontario Dashboard used to explicitly list the definition of unvaccinated as patients with: no dose, or 1 dose under 14 days or “unknown” or “undeclared” status..
They removed this definition in January.
An overwhelming percentage of reported cardiac and thrombotic events occur within 14 days of vaccination. These patients are counted as "unvaccinated" using Ontario's and the CDC's dishonest definition but, by any logical standard, these people should be considered partially vaccinated.
Thanks for that. It says their definition of "Unknown" is that those 121 patients do not show up as vaccinated in the Australian Immunisation Register. Leave it to V&C1 to twist that into only one patient being unvaccinated.
It also says "The minority of the overall population who have not been vaccinated are significantly overrepresented among patients in hospitals and ICUs with COVID-19." But V&C1 wouldn't tell you that in a million years.
This doesn't refudiate VaxedAndContagious1's headline. They're showing the stats separately now.
Only if you count "unknown" as "unvaccinated.” What do you think the point of this post was?
How about this line from the link, though:
Nice way of saying that 97-out-of-98 of the deaths were fully vaccinated. Didn't these people get the covid vaccine specifically not to die?
The first vaccine appeared in December of 2020 and you cannot come up with a single link where any infectious disease specialist or public health official claimed that it or any other vaccine was 100% guaranteed to prevent anyone dying or getting sick from covid-19.
Yet here it is 18 months later and people like you are asking why vaccinated people are getting sick or dying. It's hard to believe that you have been missing all those memos.
So why do you continue to pretend the vaccine should provide that guarantee?
lol
Can't answer the question, eh?
CDC propaganda promised that the vaccines were 100 percent effective against death and hospitalization. Now the triple vaccinated and double vaccinated are getting infected and dying off at 900% higher rate than the unvaccinated.
This is finally your apology for spreading lies and finally admitting the vaccine is doing more harm to the fully vaccinated.
Thank you for admitting the vaccine if doing more harm
You fail.
Your first link says ’Waiting for a more effective vaccine is actually the worst thing you can do to lower your risk of getting severely ill and dying of Covid-19’. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/vaccine-covid-fauci-deaths-b1808878.html
So there's obviously no 100% guarantee being offered there.
Your second link says "On Monday, the CDC released a study finding mRNA vaccines 90% effective at preventing infection." https://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-director-data-vaccinated-people-do-not-carry-covid-19-2021-3?op=1
So there's obviously no 100% guarantee being offered there either.
So that statement from you is clearly wrong.
Why is it that every link you present from anything even remotely like science does not say what you say it does?
Maybe English is your second or third language?
Fauci is on video saying it. The CDC director was on TV saying it.
You now look ignorant and you’re exposing yourself as a deranged liar.
I appreciate you saying the vaccine failed to live up to the CDC’s and Fauci’s promises though!
You just admitted the CDC and Fauci lied. And you’ve been copy pasting their propaganda here like the uneducated monkey your are
Keep copy pasting that fraudulent data you admit you don’t have the ability to understand!
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/20/health/covid-vaccine-95-effective.html
They claimed it was 95% and 94.5% effective (only 5% and 5.5% of those who got symptomatically infected during the clinical trial were vaccinated).
The demographics represented in the trial should be 95% disease free. Older and sicker people will of course get sick, but math the mathematical comparison of age cohort to age cohort, adjusted for pre-existing conditions, should show that there have been more than twice as many unvaccinated infected as vaccinated. 5% of 90% VS 100% of 10%.
If this is not the case, the vaccine has less efficacy than was claimed. It's baffling that anyone would argue that the 2020 wild spike vaccines targeting a pathogen that replicates primarily in the lungs, are going to have the same efficacy against a distant descendant that's had evolutionary pressures to circumvent reliance on the wild spike and which replicates in the upper respiratory tract. You appear to be that anyone and are incapable of just moving on and admitting that mandates that might have been arguable as appropriate out of an abundance of caution, are no longer proportionate or rational during the omicron waves.
Baffling.
Imagine risking your heart to not get a cold but then getting the cold anyway.
u/Tuchodi is the perfect example of every Public Health politician. They read a piece of paper handed to them, theyre paid to parrot content they don’t have the ability to understand.
Their ego, lack of education and refusal to acknowledge the abject failure and catastrophic VE is reflected in all of Tuchodi’s posts. The more she posts, the more it is obvious how little she knows
I agree. Hysteria and stupidity rule our day.
You are full of claims you can't back up.
They are worthless.
No one promised that the vaccines would provide 100% protection.
You can keep lying and keep pretending that Fauci and the CDC are not on camera lying about vaccinated people not carry the virus or that the vaccine has “almost 100% death and severe illness prevention”, if that makes you feel less uneducated.
You present no support for that claim.
I don't have a subscription to the New York Times.
This is a discussion about pretending the vaccines should be 100% effective at stopping infection.
You obviously have a Snopes and a Politifact subscription Tuchodi, you copy paste Politifact and Snopes links the good trained monkey you are.
Denying the CDC director and Fauci didn’t promise highly efficacious, 100p efficacy makes you look like a deranged liar.
Fauci and the CDC director are on camera saying “almost 100p efficacious at prevent death and severe disease” and “the vaccinated don’t carry the virus”
Keep denying and keep lying. No one here takes you seriously and everyone sees you are an uneducated monkey, copy pasting content you admitted yourself you don’t have the ability to understand
You are full of claims you can't back up.
They are worthless.
No one promised that the vaccines would provide 100% protection.
You’re uneducated opinion is noted.
Only abstinence is 100% effective at stopping infection. But we can't abstain from breathing. We could get close if we were 24/7 in respirators, but this isn't the 12 monkeys plague.
https://archive.ph/ https://12ft.io/
Either of these will get you around paywalls. 95% was the initial claim and was considered good enough that mandates were justified. 95% is well within the threshold for herd immunity at 70% uptake and it seems it actually was with the Wuhan strain, as it's gone extinct. For herd immunity, you need to remove enough vectors to collapse the R0 of a given strain. This either comes about naturally, behaviourally, or is induced through vaccination/prophylaxis/treatment.
For other people's benefit since you seem to give zero shits about efficacy as they pertain to vaccine mandates:
With the delta variant, efficacy fell to 60-80%. Even at the high end, 20% is four times greater than 5%. At the low end, 40% is eight times greater than 5%. So, if it's equally infectious as the origin strain, and we need to remove 70% of vectors, then @80% efficacy we're looking at (70% * .95%)/80% = 83% vaccination rate to stop delta at the high efficacy end or (70% * .95%)/60% = 110% vaccination rate to stop delta at the low efficacy end.
So 83% to 110% of the population needs to be vaccinated to eradicate delta. Adjust the number down for the ratio of naturally immune.
With omicron, efficacy falls to 5-15% for fully vaccinated people at 6 months. The herd immunity threshold is also going to be higher because it's an upper respiratory virus. Let's be generous say that doubling R0 means we only have to halve the # of vectors in the herd immunity equation. So we had 30% or so being infectious = covid just dies. Half of 30% is 15%. We need to remove 85% of people as vectors.
OK. So full vaccination at the high end provides 15% protection against symptomatic infection at the high end. (85% * .95%)/15% = 538% of the population needs to be fully vaccinated to stop the spread. OK that's impossible, so calculating the low end isn't worth it.
But for 2-12 weeks after a third dose, someone has 60-80% protection against infection. So let's see if we can get that number to 100% to eradicate the omicron variant.
(85% * .95%)/80% = 101%
We can sort of maybe eradiate omicron if 100% of the population is perpetually kept at 2-12 weeks since the third dose and it turns out the highest estimates of efficacy for this group are true. They're actually run down for weeks 0-2 though, so 16.667% of the time, people are going to need to be in a hard quarantine.
^^^
This is what you'd have to mandate, by the numbers, to eradicate COVID-19. Assuming naturally immunity doesn't exist.
Just saying that vaccine efficacy has become moot as far as eradication goes and Canada is now counting on blindly blundering out of COVID-19 in a borderline retarded fugue because we can't allow ourselves to understand how things actually work because the preached to masses of hysterical bigots will melt down when release comes from reasons that are forbidden to explain.
Thank you very much for those.
As for mandates, it's hard to imagine them going on much longer, and this discussion thread is actually about spreading misinformation about a persistent lie that covid vaccines were supposed to guarantee 100% protection from the virus.
It’s worth repeating, but it so obviously went way over your head.
So I’ll post what he said again.
I dumbed it down for you, and put in bold characters the only words you’ll be able to understand. Interestingly, it’s also the only ones that apply to you.
The trained monkey is back with more fake propaganda.
Tuchodi also thinks that “PROBABLE” covid and “POSSIBLE” Covid should be counted as confirmed covid so it makes sense that she supports fraudulent and inaccurate reporting.
The Sinovac vax made in China and other shots accepted in South East Asia and African countries are not recognized in the Australian digital vax database. These fully vaxed patients get the “Undeclared” or “Unknown status”.
CoronaVac/Sinovac, Sinopharm, Covaxin, Sputnik V, Sputnik Light, CanSinoBIO used to all be reported as unvaccinated since these vaccines are not digitally sealed.
All fully vaccinated patients admitted for heart attacks and cardiac events the day after or less than 2 weeks after their mRNA shot: all reported as unvaccinated or not fully vaxed.
And all patients found alone unresponsive, altered status homeless, addicts, overdose patients, or patients who refuse to declare their status used to all be falsely declared “unvaccinated”
Until last week.
Your unsupported opinions are noted. Along with the fact that for your original post to be accurate 121 people who don't show up on the list of people who are vaccinated all have to be in fact vaccinated. Otherwise it's just another of your fictions.
You know which fictions I'm talking about? it's the ones where you support your anti-vax narrative with a site that says the vaccines are effective.
Like this one. I'll just repeat that your own link, supplied by your own little self, says: "The minority of the overall population who have not been vaccinated are significantly overrepresented among patients in hospitals and ICUs with COVID-19." https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/weekly-covid-overview-20220528.pdf