Who made up the “safe and effective” lie?
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You left out the subject matter experts who all agreed it reduced the damage from the virus.
Who? An infectious disease specialist? Or an Alex Jones who wanted to sell you some powders?
Immunologists went with this. It's not complicated. Vaccine and treatment leakage is credited with giving us patient zero for omicron in South Africa. An immunocompromised person whose system just couldn't purge the remaining reservoirs of virus after treatment with monoclonal antibodies. Natural selection being what it is, we got what we got.
Do you not recall the many Marek's allegories or are you just gaslighting?
Folks, why would anyone believe any of this? There's not a single link to back up anything claimed.
Says the ignorant uneducated fat car mechanic to the one Omega poster with a medical degree.
@ u/ItLivesInTheWind/
Lol
You saying it doesn't make it so.
Does Vice work for you for the omicron origin? https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgddw4/omicron-variant-interview-with-south-african-doctor
National Geographic has a light article on Marek's here, https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/leaky-vaccines-enhance-spread-of-deadlier-chicken-viruses
I'm going to explain the concept of leakiness and hopefully personalize it some.
The measure of vaccine "leakiness" is the extend to which it fails to be sterilizing in vaccinees as they encounter the pathogen. VS the alpha variant, sure, there was a reasonable expectation that the average (young + healthy) vaccinee's infection wouldn't hit viral loads high enough to allow for a extensive transmission. Amongst the kinds of people you want vaccinated, it wasn't good enough. See outbreaks of alpha in care homes. But this isn't unexpected since a vaccine requires a healthy immune response.
Where this starts to become a huge problem is with the fall delta wave. Where vaccination is no longer specific for the strain going around AND vaccinees are starting to be 3-6 months out from their last dose. We're dropping from 80-95% reductions in transmission to 60-80 and 40-60 ( go back through these https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-surveillance-reports if you care to dig into it it's usually around page 13 depending on the week but the post omicron studies cited aren't great but we're not really talking about those ).
Anyway, when you have replication toward transmission occurring in significant numbers of vaccinees, you create a situation where "leaky vaccines" start worrying people.
The vaccinee is rarely going to experience reduced severity. This protects an evolved strain from rendering itself non-transmissible on account of causing worse symptoms. With a virus, there comes a point where it incapacitates the host to such a degree that it's easily detected and/or the host is in no position to carry it to new hosts. There are social exceptions like Ebola and some African funeral customs, shitty PPE, etc. But here we'd have someone like yourself maybe getting delta and maybe not really knowing. Perhaps you're young and healthy and motivated to go about your day after thinking you just under slept or ate something off. Being delta, your body's vaccine head start isn't good. It starts replicating. Millions of replications occur. Many on point. Most dead ends. Maybe a small handful are beneficial.
But some of those symptom increasing dead ends aren't dead ends for you. You're now a reservoir for a new deadlier strain of covid-19. Not noticeably deadlier to young, healthy, vaccinees but perhaps it does noticeably more damage older and less healthy vaccinees and definitely lays out unvaccinated people. And before you say GOOD!, unvaccinated people are primarily small children.
This is why we traditionally restrict non-sterilizing vaccination to those who need it. The old, the unwell, and those who will be exposed often having to deal with higher initial viral loads. These people are going to be brought low by infection or will be in medical environments where contact tracing will be possible.
*There's a caveat here that the deadlier strain being passed along by the vaccinee will likely be in a reduced number of particles and so they might need to expose an immunocompromised intermediary. It's a gas + match situation.
Do I have this right? You're claiming that leaky vaccines are responsible for Omicron, and for evidence you are offering people presenting with Omicron who have not been shown to be vaccinated?
"All viruses, including SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, change over time." https://www.who.int/activities/tracking-SARS-CoV-2-variants.
I wonder what the reduction in damage from covid would have been if everyone who could get vaccinated did so right from the get go, given that it has been clearly demonstrated that vaccination reduces the impact of the virus. https://doh.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2022-02/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf and https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2796235?guestAccessKey=b5fa1eb3-0d40-4ef4-bdce-0bd40db52d45&utm_source=silverchair&utm_campaign=jama_network&utm_content=covid_weekly_highlights&utm_medium=email
[edited to add:] Your Nat. Geo. article quotes authorities on both sides of the argument.
I was talking about, specifically, the people who claimed it granted immunity - IE, that it was a sterilizing vaccine. From what I understand, no vaccine manufacturer ever claimed that it did - someone or something just invented that part and ran with it and that spread like crazy.
And from where I read it, I think in March 2020 when everyone was starting to nail plexiglass to everything I heard it in a brief somewhere, an outlet that reported on biology papers. I remember from the very early onset that people interested in the vaccine knew full well that it was not going to be sterilizing.
Calm down there, buddy, I know they were claiming it was for harm reduction, I think the more rational standpoint is that the harm reduction to cost ratio ended up being really poor because everyone was freaked out and they threw their clemency out the window for a bit. The money spent on that vaccine regarding harm reduction could have been spent on something deadlier like car accidents if they actually wanted to reduce deaths.
OK. I apologize.
Your opinion as a fat Covid Nazi, who is pushing experimental mRNA in healthy infant and who wants to give myocarditis to healthy kids, is worthless.
You’re pariah. Get boosted. Recharge your immune with mRNA every 90 days Covid Nazi.