GOOD FAITH: A “Good Faith” argument or discussion is one in which both parties agree
on the terms on which they engage, are honest and respectful of the other person’s
dignity, follow generally-accepted norms of social interaction, and genuinely want to hear
what the other person thinks and has to say. In many cases, they are working together
towards a resolution that will be mutually satisfying. “Good faith” is similar to “good will,”
in that you wish the other party well and do not intend harm.
Each party accepts the other person as a separate individual with autonomous free
will, an independent mind, good and true intentions, and the right to have their own
opinions and reach their own conclusions. We see this sort of discussion on display in
governmental bodies where representatives of opposing parties refer to each other as
“the loyal opposition” or the “honorable” member, and so on. A “discussion” in which
both parties are operating in “good faith” can be worthwhile, productive, enlightening,
and satisfying, even if no agreement is reached and, in the end, they “agree to disagree.”
BAD FAITH: A “Bad Faith” discussion is one in which one or both of the parties has
a hidden, unrevealed agenda—often to dominate or coerce the other individual into
compliance or acquiescence of some sort—or lacks basic respect for the rights, dignity,
or autonomy of the other party. Disrespect for the other party may include dishonesty. A
person engaged in bad faith does not accept the other person as s/he is, but demands
that s/he change in order to satisfy his/her requirements or to accept his/her will.
A “bad faith” discussion is doomed to fail, as one or both person’s rights, dignity, and
autonomy are not respected. A “good faith” argument relies on persuasion to try to
convince the other person whereas a “bad faith” argument relies on other means,
possibly including intimidation or coercion. “Bad faith” arguments in private life are best
exited swiftly, and are generally not effective at swaying hearts and minds. In public life,
they are best exposed. As Dale Carnegie expressed it in How to Win Friends and Influence
People, “A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.” [This adage
appeared earlier as “Convince a man against his will, He’s of the same opinion still.” in
the notes of A Vindication of the Rights of Woman, 1792, by Mary Wollstonecraft.]
In general, it is always best to begin a discussion and to proceed with the presumption of
mutual good faith, until or unless proven otherwise.
Because your side has the hidden agenda and will never accept that they're wrong, as well as only ever being capable of bad faith arguments and tactics - debating is actually impossible
n general, it is always best to begin a discussion and to proceed with the presumption of mutual good faith, until or unless proven otherwise.
Sorry man, this has nothing to do with science. The scientific method expects people to ask questions. “Good faith” is not a part of the scientific method.
It has to do in that the anti science crowd lacks the good faith necessary to have an honest discussion. The figureheads of the anti vax are too invested in taking advantage they can't be seen to understand basic science or else it blows a hole in everything they say.
Apparently 12 people are responsible for 70% of disinformation stories too. They arm people with a script for everything that ensures you never have to understand things fully or indeed debate in good faith - because otherwise you might just be convinced.
NEWS
Pro-Trump counties now have far higher COVID death rates. Misinformation is to blame
Daniel Wood, Geoff Brumfiel | NPR
December 5th, 2021
Daniel Wood / NPR
Updated December 5, 2021 at 10:27 AM ET
Since May 2021, people living in counties that voted heavily for Donald Trump during the last presidential election have been nearly three times as likely to die from COVID-19 as those who live in areas that went for now-President Biden. That’s according to a new analysis by NPR that examines how political polarization and misinformation are driving a significant share of the deaths in the pandemic.
NPR looked at deaths per 100,000 people in roughly 3,000 counties across the U.S. from May 2021, the point at which vaccinations widely became available. People living in counties that went 60% or higher for Trump in November 2020 had 2.7 times the death rates of those that went for Biden. Counties with an even higher share of the vote for Trump saw higher COVID-19 mortality rates.
In October, the reddest tenth of the country saw death rates that were six times higher than the bluest tenth, according to Charles Gaba, an independent health care analyst who’s been tracking partisanship trends during the pandemic and helped to review NPR’s methodology. Those numbers have dropped slightly in recent weeks, Gaba says: “It’s back down to around 5.5 times higher.”
The trend was robust, even when controlling for age, which is the primary demographic risk of COVID-19 mortality. The data also reveal a major contributing factor to the death rate difference: The higher the vote share for Trump, the lower the vaccination rate.
You should set up a society like these guys, and question question question
https://theflatearthsociety.org/home/
GOOD FAITH: A “Good Faith” argument or discussion is one in which both parties agree on the terms on which they engage, are honest and respectful of the other person’s dignity, follow generally-accepted norms of social interaction, and genuinely want to hear what the other person thinks and has to say. In many cases, they are working together towards a resolution that will be mutually satisfying. “Good faith” is similar to “good will,” in that you wish the other party well and do not intend harm. Each party accepts the other person as a separate individual with autonomous free will, an independent mind, good and true intentions, and the right to have their own opinions and reach their own conclusions. We see this sort of discussion on display in governmental bodies where representatives of opposing parties refer to each other as “the loyal opposition” or the “honorable” member, and so on. A “discussion” in which both parties are operating in “good faith” can be worthwhile, productive, enlightening, and satisfying, even if no agreement is reached and, in the end, they “agree to disagree.” BAD FAITH: A “Bad Faith” discussion is one in which one or both of the parties has a hidden, unrevealed agenda—often to dominate or coerce the other individual into compliance or acquiescence of some sort—or lacks basic respect for the rights, dignity, or autonomy of the other party. Disrespect for the other party may include dishonesty. A person engaged in bad faith does not accept the other person as s/he is, but demands that s/he change in order to satisfy his/her requirements or to accept his/her will. A “bad faith” discussion is doomed to fail, as one or both person’s rights, dignity, and autonomy are not respected. A “good faith” argument relies on persuasion to try to convince the other person whereas a “bad faith” argument relies on other means, possibly including intimidation or coercion. “Bad faith” arguments in private life are best exited swiftly, and are generally not effective at swaying hearts and minds. In public life, they are best exposed. As Dale Carnegie expressed it in How to Win Friends and Influence People, “A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.” [This adage appeared earlier as “Convince a man against his will, He’s of the same opinion still.” in the notes of A Vindication of the Rights of Woman, 1792, by Mary Wollstonecraft.] In general, it is always best to begin a discussion and to proceed with the presumption of mutual good faith, until or unless proven otherwise.
Because your side has the hidden agenda and will never accept that they're wrong, as well as only ever being capable of bad faith arguments and tactics - debating is actually impossible
Sorry man, this has nothing to do with science. The scientific method expects people to ask questions. “Good faith” is not a part of the scientific method.
It has to do in that the anti science crowd lacks the good faith necessary to have an honest discussion. The figureheads of the anti vax are too invested in taking advantage they can't be seen to understand basic science or else it blows a hole in everything they say.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.npr.org/2021/05/13/996570855/disinformation-dozen-test-facebooks-twitters-ability-to-curb-vaccine-hoaxes&ved=2ahUKEwjyi6LHsN7_AhURHDQIHYyyCo4QFnoECCAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0p30bourJuW4Mpluj2bJqq
Apparently 12 people are responsible for 70% of disinformation stories too. They arm people with a script for everything that ensures you never have to understand things fully or indeed debate in good faith - because otherwise you might just be convinced.
You really don’t understand that nothing you posted here has anything to do with science or the scientific method.
It does have to do with wilful and weaponized ignorance which is more representative of how the alt right are doing their "science"
Am I ignorant? No. Are you? That depends on how you react / dismiss this following article.
https://www.wabe.org/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate/
LIVE WABE 90.1: 1A
NEWS Pro-Trump counties now have far higher COVID death rates. Misinformation is to blame Daniel Wood, Geoff Brumfiel | NPR
December 5th, 2021
Daniel Wood / NPR
Updated December 5, 2021 at 10:27 AM ET Since May 2021, people living in counties that voted heavily for Donald Trump during the last presidential election have been nearly three times as likely to die from COVID-19 as those who live in areas that went for now-President Biden. That’s according to a new analysis by NPR that examines how political polarization and misinformation are driving a significant share of the deaths in the pandemic.
NPR looked at deaths per 100,000 people in roughly 3,000 counties across the U.S. from May 2021, the point at which vaccinations widely became available. People living in counties that went 60% or higher for Trump in November 2020 had 2.7 times the death rates of those that went for Biden. Counties with an even higher share of the vote for Trump saw higher COVID-19 mortality rates.
In October, the reddest tenth of the country saw death rates that were six times higher than the bluest tenth, according to Charles Gaba, an independent health care analyst who’s been tracking partisanship trends during the pandemic and helped to review NPR’s methodology. Those numbers have dropped slightly in recent weeks, Gaba says: “It’s back down to around 5.5 times higher.”
The trend was robust, even when controlling for age, which is the primary demographic risk of COVID-19 mortality. The data also reveal a major contributing factor to the death rate difference: The higher the vote share for Trump, the lower the vaccination rate.
No, nothing you wrote here has anything to do with science.
https://omegacanada.win/p/16biYVaXEu/
Yes, and still nothing you posted here is science.