COVID vs. The Flu in Canada
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Quebec put sick nursing home patients back into nursing homes instead of leaving them in the COVID wards in hospitals. lmao. Quebec's death rate is over 3.5x Ontario's.
How about you not put sick patients back into nursing homes? Quebec's lockdown had nothing to do with their high death rate. Ontario had a lockdown too. How come Ontario has only 28% of Quebec's death rate? Because Ontario's government is not as retarded.
To Quebec's credit, they had their spring break like 2 weeks before their lockdown. Whereas Ontario didn't have a real spring break this year. Lots of Quebeckers traveled to the United States and Europe (especially France) during spring break and brought a lot of the virus back home to Quebec. So Ontario did have time on its side as well. The sooner you take measures to slow the spread in the epidemic curve, the better. Quebec reacted way too late to contain the casualties. And putting sick people back into nursing homes was retarded.
Timing is very important. Quebec's epidemic curve was earlier than Ontario's. New York's was earlier than Quebec's. Italy's was earlier than New York. China's was earlier than Italy. The earlier your curve, the faster you have to react to slow the spread.
We as a society over-reacted to this virus. But when OP implies that the flu is more deadly than the coronavirus, that is a bald faced lie. And that kind of misinformation needs to be called out. People like him who blatantly lie are the reason why more reasonable lockdown skeptics like me aren't taken seriously by the mainstream.
Anyone who claims that the coronavirus isn't more deadly than the flu after over 180,000 Americans died from COVID-19 while only 61,000 max died from flu/pneumonia in 2018 without lockdowns or social distancing is a blatant liar who needs to shut the fuck up. My point has always been that maybe 180,000 COVID deaths isn't as bad as all the lockdown deaths and sacrificing the future of the youth for the old and sick. The pandemic was a lose-lose situation. I think we should have just focused on making sure the hospitals weren't overwhelmed and otherwise let the virus run its course.
That's why the novel coronavirus is more deadly. The population doesn't have the same level of immunity to it as they do the flu or the cold. Building herd immunity in the population will either require a vaccine or Sweden-esque+ level casualties. Probably even more casualties than Sweden as obesity, heart disease and Type II diabetes are more prevalent in Canada and especially the United States than in Sweden. Only 15% of Sweden is obese. Fucking 33% of America is obese. Canada is somewhere in between those two numbers.
Either decision, whether locking down and social distancing or not doing so, leads to negative consequences for society. I believe the harm reduction approach is the Swedish model where you flatten the epidemic curve to ensure that the hospitals do not get overwhelmed. However the goal post shifting that we're doing now where people are aiming for 0 cases is a ridiculous goal. We are sabotaging our economy and the future and quality of life of our young to save the elderly and sick.
I think our goal should be to show case the harm that the lockdown has caused society. Not just the economic impact. Because we know that leftists think all we care about is the economy. And make the case that the harm to the young outweighs the harm to the elderly and sick.
The issue is that the young don't live in a bubble separate from the elderly and sick. Casualties are going to happen if you try to go for herd immunity. As we saw in Sweden. The case to be made is that it's retarded for our society to expect the young to sacrifice their lives for the old and sick. This is the worst fucking year of my life. How many other people here feel the same way? So many people have been made to sacrifice for a small segment of the population.
But it is more deadly. The COVID-19 death toll in the United States is 180,000+. The flu/pneumonia death toll in 2018 without social distancing, lockdowns, masks was 61,000 max in the US.
I think Quebec is very likely to be closer to herd immunity than the rest of Canada yea given their relatively high COVID death rate and relatively high test positivity rate. So opening up Quebec would be less controversial I think than opening up say Ontario. I would say the majority of people in Ontario don't want to see Swedish death rates. Whereas Quebec has already surpassed Sweden death rates. So a re-opening is an easier pill for Quebec to swallow.
I don't know how things are in Montreal. But in Greater Toronto, Vancouver, New York, Milan, Los Angeles, etc. a large percentage of adult children live with their parents. And there is a housing shortage in these urban centres so it's not as simple as moving out because imagine every single one of them trying to find a new place to rent/buy at once. And a large percentage of immigrant households have multi-generational households. So even in this hypothetical scenario where the elderly isolate themselves from their family for a year+ until a vaccine (yea right? Who actually does that?), you're going to have casualties in multi-generational households. Because it's pretty much impossible to socially distance yourself from the people you live with. Lots of people also have room mates and you might have a room mate who is immunocompromised or even elderly. If you had a room mate who had leukemia, would you be a celibate hikikomori for a year+? lol.
You say that it doesn't mean gutting the economy but are in favour of keeping people in hospital beds that cost over 2K per day. Nursing homes don't cost anywhere near that.
Ahhhhh so knowing how much a bed costs in various facilities makes me a murderer. Boy we should be all glad that you're not involved in legal matters.