Peter Gibbons: Our high school guidance counselor used to ask us what you'd do if you had a million dollars and you didn't have to work. And invariably what you'd say was supposed to be your career. So, if you wanted to fix old cars you're supposed to be an auto mechanic.
Samir: So what did you say?
Peter Gibbons: I never had an answer. I guess that's why I'm working at Initech.
Michael Bolton: No, you're working at Initech because that question is bullshit to begin with. If everyone listened to her, there'd be no janitors, because no one would clean shit up if they had a million dollars.
What a fantastic post. You can even simplify the point to a basic premise. An economy of a country is ultimately the sum of all of its production. The "lifestyle" of the country is the sum of its consumption. As a whole, you cannot get around these two basic fucking variables.
What people want now is for the current "rich" to continue working their balls off to maintain society, while parasites want the same lifestyle as the people compelled to work 60+ hours a week. What the left wants now are slaves. They want the current "successful" class to effectively work as slaves for the rest.
It could work if they stopped with the income test bullshit. That's the whole point to it; it's free money whether you work or not, just for being a Canadian. If it's needs based, it's a social program.
If you work a full time job, even if it's McDonald's, people shouldn't be making choices between buying healthy food and paying rent. The government has given basically free mortgages to the wealthy, pushing up housing costs for everyone as everyone bids with the bank's almost interest-free money on houses.
Instead of curbing UBI after working a certain amount, they should simply make it like normal taxable income that doesn't decrease and adjust the income brackets higher so people don't get jobbed in the transition. You shouldn't be punished for working hard to put yourself through college/university and get into an upper bracket, and someone at McDonald's shouldn't be forced to use their 50% food discount to make ends meet.
It could work if they stopped with the income test bullshit. That's the whole point to it; it's free money whether you work or not, just for being a Canadian. If it's needs based, it's a social program.
Except you can't get rid of the income test "bullshit". At some point your income has to start getting clawed back as taxes to pay for the UBI. Get rid of the $0.50 per dollar clawback, and instead you just increase tax rates above $38,000, it's the same thing - the money still has to come from the people who work more.
Everyone would be pushed up an income bracket, there would be no personal deduction of 10 grand because everyone will be making more than that threshold. You would be pushing minimum wage workers into a higher tax brackets and they would pay more taxes as well. If you give the 'stimulus' money to the paycheque-to-paycheque crowd, they are highly likely to spend that money locally, stimulating local economy and pushing up business tax revenue.
Obviously, UBI isn't revenue-neutral, but you could eliminate social programs, transfer payments etc if the government has everyone on a minimum dole. It's the wealthy people that we have to worry about spending the money abroad, not the people living off of McDouble meals.
I posted this reminder about UBI cancelled program for Ontario last week. Still relevant if you missed it - people used the money to buy diabetic cats, xbox ones, new clothes, loan friends money and take trips. Not one used it to better themselves and none found a job during the time on it.
I'd be much happier with UBI than I would now with CCB. Fuck people getting paid because they have kids they can't afford and getting more for every kid. You wonder why Canada is being demographically replaced so quickly? They get paid to.
Presuming you live in Canada given the nature of this site, the lowest your weekly take home after taxes could have been was just over $1,400 if you had a gross of $2,147.
Apparently the far left doesn't have a monopoly on making up bullshit and ignoring readily available facts in order to make an argument. If you want to flat out lie because it suits your narrative, head on over to the far left. You and your dissociation from reality and facts will fit in perfect there. Otherwise, recognize that we're suppose to be above flat out lying about facts that don't support our argument and stop doing that shit. You're just knee capping your own credibility.
What frustrates me is if we had proper free market and a society that wasnt full of assholes we wouldnt need a UBI. Everyone would be rolling in fucking cash and only working 6 months of the year.
From the movie office space;
Peter Gibbons: Our high school guidance counselor used to ask us what you'd do if you had a million dollars and you didn't have to work. And invariably what you'd say was supposed to be your career. So, if you wanted to fix old cars you're supposed to be an auto mechanic.
Samir: So what did you say?
Peter Gibbons: I never had an answer. I guess that's why I'm working at Initech.
Michael Bolton: No, you're working at Initech because that question is bullshit to begin with. If everyone listened to her, there'd be no janitors, because no one would clean shit up if they had a million dollars.
If I had a million dollars, I'll tell you what I'd do. Two chicks at the same time...
Also remittances.
In any UBI scenario, the country must be locked down 100%, no one in, no one out, and must never operate with trade deficits.
What a fantastic post. You can even simplify the point to a basic premise. An economy of a country is ultimately the sum of all of its production. The "lifestyle" of the country is the sum of its consumption. As a whole, you cannot get around these two basic fucking variables.
What people want now is for the current "rich" to continue working their balls off to maintain society, while parasites want the same lifestyle as the people compelled to work 60+ hours a week. What the left wants now are slaves. They want the current "successful" class to effectively work as slaves for the rest.
It could work if they stopped with the income test bullshit. That's the whole point to it; it's free money whether you work or not, just for being a Canadian. If it's needs based, it's a social program.
If you work a full time job, even if it's McDonald's, people shouldn't be making choices between buying healthy food and paying rent. The government has given basically free mortgages to the wealthy, pushing up housing costs for everyone as everyone bids with the bank's almost interest-free money on houses.
Instead of curbing UBI after working a certain amount, they should simply make it like normal taxable income that doesn't decrease and adjust the income brackets higher so people don't get jobbed in the transition. You shouldn't be punished for working hard to put yourself through college/university and get into an upper bracket, and someone at McDonald's shouldn't be forced to use their 50% food discount to make ends meet.
Except you can't get rid of the income test "bullshit". At some point your income has to start getting clawed back as taxes to pay for the UBI. Get rid of the $0.50 per dollar clawback, and instead you just increase tax rates above $38,000, it's the same thing - the money still has to come from the people who work more.
Everyone would be pushed up an income bracket, there would be no personal deduction of 10 grand because everyone will be making more than that threshold. You would be pushing minimum wage workers into a higher tax brackets and they would pay more taxes as well. If you give the 'stimulus' money to the paycheque-to-paycheque crowd, they are highly likely to spend that money locally, stimulating local economy and pushing up business tax revenue.
Obviously, UBI isn't revenue-neutral, but you could eliminate social programs, transfer payments etc if the government has everyone on a minimum dole. It's the wealthy people that we have to worry about spending the money abroad, not the people living off of McDouble meals.
https://omegacanada.win/p/HEuioRIv/dont-forget-cancelled-ubi-progra/c/
I posted this reminder about UBI cancelled program for Ontario last week. Still relevant if you missed it - people used the money to buy diabetic cats, xbox ones, new clothes, loan friends money and take trips. Not one used it to better themselves and none found a job during the time on it.
You know what could make UBI work?
Allowing Albertans to work abd expand the oilsands.
But no.
Because the liberals are paid off illegally to destroy the country.
Have you seen the losers in r/EICERB? Exhibit A why UBI should never happen. Free money = No work.
I'd be much happier with UBI than I would now with CCB. Fuck people getting paid because they have kids they can't afford and getting more for every kid. You wonder why Canada is being demographically replaced so quickly? They get paid to.
Great article, but you forget the classic Marxist argument:
"If everyone has free money, no one wants to be the garbage man."
"We'll have convicts be the garbage man instead of being in jail."
"What if we don't have enough convicts?"
"We'll just arrest the people who ask a lot of questions."
Problem solved, capitalist scum.
I stopped reading after your first paragraph.
Presuming you live in Canada given the nature of this site, the lowest your weekly take home after taxes could have been was just over $1,400 if you had a gross of $2,147.
Apparently the far left doesn't have a monopoly on making up bullshit and ignoring readily available facts in order to make an argument. If you want to flat out lie because it suits your narrative, head on over to the far left. You and your dissociation from reality and facts will fit in perfect there. Otherwise, recognize that we're suppose to be above flat out lying about facts that don't support our argument and stop doing that shit. You're just knee capping your own credibility.
That's not how tax brackets work, you dumb fuck. The highest your effective tax rate could have been anywhere in Canada would be 34.3%.
You don't understand simple math or taxes but I'm sure you really work in finance. Do you consider cashier at McDonald's working in finance? ?
We literally just did that, did you hear of the CERB? It was a pretty big deal.
You're right, we should just be giving free money to immigrants, refugees and single mothers. That way it's nice and fair.
What frustrates me is if we had proper free market and a society that wasnt full of assholes we wouldnt need a UBI. Everyone would be rolling in fucking cash and only working 6 months of the year.