It's based, but I'm surprised they aren't talking about the cuts at all. That seems to be what the left always grabs hold of. If the libs shrug their shoulders and say that they'll just run a deficit, they will be able to sway lots of voters I believe.
Pleasant surprise from the BC Liberals, if they ran on a purely populist platform like this focused on making life cheaper while opposing the progressive BS on decriminalizing drugs etc. they’d waltz to victory..unfortunately they still have the pro-big business elitist stink on them.
Consumption taxes are at least somewhat under your own control vis-a-vis your own spending.
If we want to be fair,like really fair, taxes should not be discretionary. A tax on your labour, as you phrase it, is a tax on everyone and everyone contributes to the needs of our society. That is fair. What you spend your remaining money on should be your business alone, no luxury taxes, no sales tax, nothing at all. That is the only fair way to operate as a cohesive society.
While I kind of see your point re: we all must contribute to the maintenance of order in our shared society, I disagree that it should be a percentage of the income generated by one's labour i.e
if I work really hard and make more money, I somehow owe a larger "debt" to society than if I was slothful and barely worked at all. Seems backwards and not especially fair/equal to me.
As well, income taxes have been one of the key driving factors behind the vast expansion of the state. Consumption taxes tend to reach a limit more quickly than income taxes (i.e. if a consumption tax gets too high the people won't buy as much stuff or go to the black market), constraining the state's ability to raise revenue in the process.
Here's the problem with a consumption tax: We all consume, and the basic necessities are a much higher proportion of my income. Yes, you work harder or smarter and you make more money, but a consumption tax is relatively inconsequential. For us middle classers, an extra 12 to 15% when we dare spend our money is daunting. Still, you argue that one can avoid a consumption tax simply by not consuming as much. Sure, but the point isn't how we can avoid tax, rather it is how can we apportion contributions to society fairly.
As much as I am a fiscal conservative, more libertarian in many aspects, I realize that not everyone can make as much money as others no matter how hard they work. Simply put, some people are smarter than others, some are "privileged" with decent parents who teach honest values, and some are born with great grand dad's wealth. Income tax isn't the only tax I prefer over a consumption tax. If you are living off interest or capital gains that should be taxed appropriately as well. After we all contribute (communistically) according to our means we should be free to blow our cash on a Ferrari without worrying about GST PST and some morally bankrupt luxury tax.
If I have to be taxed I'd prefer it to be once, proportionally fair, and for things we all need. Imagine a government that didn't sponsor arts festivals and welfare bums. It'd be heaven here on earth.
There is a reason there was no income tax before the world wars and, incredibly, society existed for over a hundred years with that structure. Taxing people on what they earn by the principle of it is unjust and immoral. What gives the government the right to a share of what you earn just because you earned it? And then certainly such a big piece. Also the stepped income tax brackets are also stupid. Rich people already pay more based off a percentage, why add more percentage other than to bring down people who make more? How is that just or fair? Taxing things like land makes sense because the land is part of the nation. The real problem either way you slice it is government has become such a bloated parasite it needs to be greatly reduced then learn to function while taking less of our money.
Yes, I would like to see the books on this one. Unless they are cutting back spending they will just wrack up more debt. Given liberals mindset I have a suspicion this is more the case. Besides I feel like this is the ass backwards way of doing taxes. Remove income tax if you want to reduce taxes for people to stimulate the economy, sales taxes are legit means for gov to get the money they need to function but they need to downsize gov because it has become a fat bloated parasite. If they did that they could remove income tax all together and everyone would be wealthier.
Ok, so tax when you make it or tax when you spend it. If people don't spend then the economy is dead. It is much fairer and more productive to tax people once and then let them spend what the government has so gracefully left them in peace.
Well as it is right now in most places we get dinged for both lol. The reason taxing bought goods and services is the correct way to do taxes is because people only pay tax on what they buy. They are not being blanket taxed just for earning an income. Lastly I think income tax removal is probably a bigger chunk of change back in people’s pockets than removing sales tax but the biggest benefit is people have more money to spend, they have more financial flexibility because they will have more take home money and they will probably spend more because they have a better quality of life and generally when you are less stressed you buy more stuff instead of gripping those nickels tighter.
Well, at least this time they don't have big "L" liberals leading the parade. Christy fuckin' Clark was a Liberal in the worst way, and Gordon Campbell was a sheet blowing whichever way the wind blew.
It's based, but I'm surprised they aren't talking about the cuts at all. That seems to be what the left always grabs hold of. If the libs shrug their shoulders and say that they'll just run a deficit, they will be able to sway lots of voters I believe.
Pleasant surprise from the BC Liberals, if they ran on a purely populist platform like this focused on making life cheaper while opposing the progressive BS on decriminalizing drugs etc. they’d waltz to victory..unfortunately they still have the pro-big business elitist stink on them.
BC Libs = Progressive Conservatives
Not bad, but I'd rather they ditch the income tax. Being taxed on your labour is abhorrent.
Consumption taxes are at least somewhat under your own control vis-a-vis your own spending.
If we want to be fair,like really fair, taxes should not be discretionary. A tax on your labour, as you phrase it, is a tax on everyone and everyone contributes to the needs of our society. That is fair. What you spend your remaining money on should be your business alone, no luxury taxes, no sales tax, nothing at all. That is the only fair way to operate as a cohesive society.
While I kind of see your point re: we all must contribute to the maintenance of order in our shared society, I disagree that it should be a percentage of the income generated by one's labour i.e if I work really hard and make more money, I somehow owe a larger "debt" to society than if I was slothful and barely worked at all. Seems backwards and not especially fair/equal to me.
As well, income taxes have been one of the key driving factors behind the vast expansion of the state. Consumption taxes tend to reach a limit more quickly than income taxes (i.e. if a consumption tax gets too high the people won't buy as much stuff or go to the black market), constraining the state's ability to raise revenue in the process.
Here's the problem with a consumption tax: We all consume, and the basic necessities are a much higher proportion of my income. Yes, you work harder or smarter and you make more money, but a consumption tax is relatively inconsequential. For us middle classers, an extra 12 to 15% when we dare spend our money is daunting. Still, you argue that one can avoid a consumption tax simply by not consuming as much. Sure, but the point isn't how we can avoid tax, rather it is how can we apportion contributions to society fairly.
As much as I am a fiscal conservative, more libertarian in many aspects, I realize that not everyone can make as much money as others no matter how hard they work. Simply put, some people are smarter than others, some are "privileged" with decent parents who teach honest values, and some are born with great grand dad's wealth. Income tax isn't the only tax I prefer over a consumption tax. If you are living off interest or capital gains that should be taxed appropriately as well. After we all contribute (communistically) according to our means we should be free to blow our cash on a Ferrari without worrying about GST PST and some morally bankrupt luxury tax.
If I have to be taxed I'd prefer it to be once, proportionally fair, and for things we all need. Imagine a government that didn't sponsor arts festivals and welfare bums. It'd be heaven here on earth.
There is a reason there was no income tax before the world wars and, incredibly, society existed for over a hundred years with that structure. Taxing people on what they earn by the principle of it is unjust and immoral. What gives the government the right to a share of what you earn just because you earned it? And then certainly such a big piece. Also the stepped income tax brackets are also stupid. Rich people already pay more based off a percentage, why add more percentage other than to bring down people who make more? How is that just or fair? Taxing things like land makes sense because the land is part of the nation. The real problem either way you slice it is government has become such a bloated parasite it needs to be greatly reduced then learn to function while taking less of our money.
Meanwhile BC sinks under the enormous weight of public sector unions and foreign invasion.
It's the equivalent of telling a patient with a terminal illness that they get to die in a more comfortable bed.
Yeah, 'cause the Chinese are such slothful drains on society...
Yes, I would like to see the books on this one. Unless they are cutting back spending they will just wrack up more debt. Given liberals mindset I have a suspicion this is more the case. Besides I feel like this is the ass backwards way of doing taxes. Remove income tax if you want to reduce taxes for people to stimulate the economy, sales taxes are legit means for gov to get the money they need to function but they need to downsize gov because it has become a fat bloated parasite. If they did that they could remove income tax all together and everyone would be wealthier.
Bingo - abolishing income tax is the best way to starve the beast.
Ok, so tax when you make it or tax when you spend it. If people don't spend then the economy is dead. It is much fairer and more productive to tax people once and then let them spend what the government has so gracefully left them in peace.
Well as it is right now in most places we get dinged for both lol. The reason taxing bought goods and services is the correct way to do taxes is because people only pay tax on what they buy. They are not being blanket taxed just for earning an income. Lastly I think income tax removal is probably a bigger chunk of change back in people’s pockets than removing sales tax but the biggest benefit is people have more money to spend, they have more financial flexibility because they will have more take home money and they will probably spend more because they have a better quality of life and generally when you are less stressed you buy more stuff instead of gripping those nickels tighter.
Well, at least this time they don't have big "L" liberals leading the parade. Christy fuckin' Clark was a Liberal in the worst way, and Gordon Campbell was a sheet blowing whichever way the wind blew.