What do you think of Chris Sky on video saying he's going to be the next Minister of Finance because Rob Carbone is going to take power? I like Chris overall but we also can't ignore the stupidity of a statement like that.
I mean you just described that entire 2% of the voting population. They're only interested in virtue-signalling and hearing their "leader" recite the talking points they want to hear (even if it means alienating the other 98% of the electorate and ensuring the PPC never even wins a seat, let alone form a government). They have no plan whatsoever to turn their ideals into policy/legislation. They just chant some slogans, feel good in the moment, and then they can call it a day.
Edit: I mean what is Max's "viable solution"? He can't even win a seat. How is he going to make his solution policy from a soap box on the lawn of parliament hill?
Like it or not, getting elected and forming a government is a prerequisite to turning your agenda into governance. And Max doesn't even seem to be trying to get his party elected.
The concept of building a movement that can bring in people who are usually disillusioned with politics is a viable strategy.
No, it's actually not. Maybe in the "Dreams can come true if you just believe in yourself" fantasy world but not in the real world.
Of the 43 federal elections this country has had over the 150+ years of its existence, every single one of them has been won by one of the two the major parties (The Liberals and the Conservatives under their various names).
And do you know why that is? There's a simple reason for it: Because unlike the PPC, the major parties practice democracy. They elect a new leader every few years and they vote on what the party's policies should be. This means those parties can keep up with the shifting political winds from one year to the next. This is how they stay relevant and stay on top of the polls even after 150+ years of existence.
This necessarily means that it's impossible for a minor party to come from behind and sweep an election because if that minor party's ideas were popular enough to get elected on, a major party would be running on them.
That is why it's always been either the Liberal party or the Conservative party winning elections. There's no room for startup parties when the major parties can (and do) shift their policies to keep up with the electorate.
And to think that the PPC is going to be the first party in Canadian history to buck this trend is just straight up delusional. You know how many minor parties have come and gone, thinking just like PPCers are now, beleving they're going to be the first startup party to sweep a Canadian election? Dozens. LOL. and they ALL said the same shit you guys do about establishment parties being corrupt and it's time for new blood and bla bla bla. And it never amounts to anything.
Think the PPC is going to be the first ever to buck the trend is as delusional as people who count on winning the lottery to provide for their retirement. Actually moreso. At least it's possible to win the lottery.
It is what happened with the Reform party did.
And what did the Reform party ever accomplish other than to keep the Liberals in power?
Besides that, the key distinction between Reform and the PPC is that Reform increased in popularity after they launched. The PPC has only declined in popularity since they launched.
see, people actually took the Reform party seriously because they were a serious party, complete with leadership elections, policy conventions, a constitution, published financials, all the components that make a party legit. The PPC has none of that because it's a crackpot/wingnut sham/joke party. Everybody in Canada knows this except you guys and it's frankly embarrassing. It's like watching someone campaign his heart out for the Rhinoceros party not understanding that it's a joke.
Like at what point do you accept the reality that this PPC thing is a dud? You live in a 70% left-wing country. On what can planet can a hard-right fringe party that polls at 2% and which a literal neo-nazi party offered to merge with capable of getting elected by a 70% left-wing country? It's astounding that there are actual humans who seem to genuinely believe this is possible.
Ham what is your suggested stratagy to end the lockdowns?
Well it certainly isn't to whine on a soapbox and rub shoulders with Hitler admirers and holocaust deniers. What is that going to accomplish?
Canadians overwhelmingly support the lockdowns so if I wanted to end them, my strategy would have to be to run for office while not overtly opposing the lockdowns since doing so would guarantee I lose. And I can't end any lockdowns if I don't get elected, can I?
This is what you guys refuse to understand. You refuse to play to win and insist on instead just playing to virtue-signal to the right-wing fringes, then you wonder why you don't win. It's fuckign mind-boglging. You're INSITING that parties make you promises that will guarantee they lose and you don't care, you just want to hear leaders make the noises you want to hear, election outcomes be damned. It's like you're not interested in solutions, you're just interested in hearing what you want to hear. And no matter how many times it's explained to you, you refuse to understand.
Let's try an analogy here. Let's say hypothetically there's a voter out there who really wants to put women back in the kitchen by banning them from having jobs and making them the property of their fathers or husbands (No I'm not calling you a misogynist, this is just a hypothetical example of some wildly unpopular policy position).
So he says to O'Toole
"O'Toole you cuck, you'd better publicly promise to put those women back in the kitchen or else I'm not giving you my vote! I'll vote PPC instead!"
Well that's stupid because even if O'Toole wanted to put women back in the kitchen, and even if he secretly planned on doing it, he'd be an idiot to publicly make that promise because it's wildly unpopular and would cost him the election.
So that moron who's demanding O'Toole promise to a wildly unpopular policy position that would guarantee he loses? That's you. That's exactly what you're doing right now. You're demanding O'toole take positions that would guarantee he loses because you have no forethought, you're not interested in solutions, you just want O'Toole to make the noises you want to hear. That's naive and childish.
Is anyone seeing vote results? It just keeps showing 0 / 0 for me.
This poll is clearly rigged.
I voted "Chris Sky" and it's not showing up.
I'm talking about the straw poll.
AHAHaaaa, as of right now the vote is 52 - 0 for max. Man if only the ppc voters would stop splitting the vote eh ham.
https://twitter.com/TrueNorth911/status/1411726122560143361?s=20
I dunno, that seems to be outdated information.
LOL it's a week and a half old.
Also, go back and check the straw poll. The Chris Sky votes finally displayed.
People forget that Ezra has always been an Israeli disinfo agent.
Where is the both are retards option?
....says the guy who's trying to divide the CPC in order to keep Trudeau in office forever.
I'm not the one trying to keep Trudeau in office for the rest of time.
bla bla bla
You're trying to keep Trudeau in office. I'm trying to get rid of him. That's all that'll happening here.
That's right, keep dodging the bottom line here which is that you're working for Trudeau and I'm working against him.
Degenerate fucking traitor.
Why are you complaining? You should happy about that, no? More votes for the PPC, right?
So still in the single digits.
How can you call yourself "CanadianTrump" while also advocating for Bernier?
https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/826479683635
You people are so hopelessly lost that it's funny to watch. 😂
Lauren is an Aussie now, and still fighting the good fight on SkyNews
What do you think of Chris Sky on video saying he's going to be the next Minister of Finance because Rob Carbone is going to take power? I like Chris overall but we also can't ignore the stupidity of a statement like that.
It currently has 50 - 0 for Bernier.
And Bernier does?
I mean you just described that entire 2% of the voting population. They're only interested in virtue-signalling and hearing their "leader" recite the talking points they want to hear (even if it means alienating the other 98% of the electorate and ensuring the PPC never even wins a seat, let alone form a government). They have no plan whatsoever to turn their ideals into policy/legislation. They just chant some slogans, feel good in the moment, and then they can call it a day.
Edit: I mean what is Max's "viable solution"? He can't even win a seat. How is he going to make his solution policy from a soap box on the lawn of parliament hill?
Like it or not, getting elected and forming a government is a prerequisite to turning your agenda into governance. And Max doesn't even seem to be trying to get his party elected.
Who said anything about the conservatives?
Thorns_Embrace said Sky had no viable solution as if to distinguish him from Bernier, implying Beriner does have a viable solution.
Bernier doesn't have a plan to even win his own seat, let alone win a whole election.
No, it's actually not. Maybe in the "Dreams can come true if you just believe in yourself" fantasy world but not in the real world.
Of the 43 federal elections this country has had over the 150+ years of its existence, every single one of them has been won by one of the two the major parties (The Liberals and the Conservatives under their various names).
And do you know why that is? There's a simple reason for it: Because unlike the PPC, the major parties practice democracy. They elect a new leader every few years and they vote on what the party's policies should be. This means those parties can keep up with the shifting political winds from one year to the next. This is how they stay relevant and stay on top of the polls even after 150+ years of existence.
This necessarily means that it's impossible for a minor party to come from behind and sweep an election because if that minor party's ideas were popular enough to get elected on, a major party would be running on them.
That is why it's always been either the Liberal party or the Conservative party winning elections. There's no room for startup parties when the major parties can (and do) shift their policies to keep up with the electorate.
And to think that the PPC is going to be the first party in Canadian history to buck this trend is just straight up delusional. You know how many minor parties have come and gone, thinking just like PPCers are now, beleving they're going to be the first startup party to sweep a Canadian election? Dozens. LOL. and they ALL said the same shit you guys do about establishment parties being corrupt and it's time for new blood and bla bla bla. And it never amounts to anything.
Think the PPC is going to be the first ever to buck the trend is as delusional as people who count on winning the lottery to provide for their retirement. Actually moreso. At least it's possible to win the lottery.
And what did the Reform party ever accomplish other than to keep the Liberals in power?
Besides that, the key distinction between Reform and the PPC is that Reform increased in popularity after they launched. The PPC has only declined in popularity since they launched.
Their numbers have flatlined since Dec 2020.
The party is polling (on average) 27% lower than they did the day before the 2019 election.
And Benrier's own popularity in his home riding has dropped by 24% since the 2019 election.
see, people actually took the Reform party seriously because they were a serious party, complete with leadership elections, policy conventions, a constitution, published financials, all the components that make a party legit. The PPC has none of that because it's a crackpot/wingnut sham/joke party. Everybody in Canada knows this except you guys and it's frankly embarrassing. It's like watching someone campaign his heart out for the Rhinoceros party not understanding that it's a joke.
Like at what point do you accept the reality that this PPC thing is a dud? You live in a 70% left-wing country. On what can planet can a hard-right fringe party that polls at 2% and which a literal neo-nazi party offered to merge with capable of getting elected by a 70% left-wing country? It's astounding that there are actual humans who seem to genuinely believe this is possible.
Well it certainly isn't to whine on a soapbox and rub shoulders with Hitler admirers and holocaust deniers. What is that going to accomplish?
Canadians overwhelmingly support the lockdowns so if I wanted to end them, my strategy would have to be to run for office while not overtly opposing the lockdowns since doing so would guarantee I lose. And I can't end any lockdowns if I don't get elected, can I?
This is what you guys refuse to understand. You refuse to play to win and insist on instead just playing to virtue-signal to the right-wing fringes, then you wonder why you don't win. It's fuckign mind-boglging. You're INSITING that parties make you promises that will guarantee they lose and you don't care, you just want to hear leaders make the noises you want to hear, election outcomes be damned. It's like you're not interested in solutions, you're just interested in hearing what you want to hear. And no matter how many times it's explained to you, you refuse to understand.
Let's try an analogy here. Let's say hypothetically there's a voter out there who really wants to put women back in the kitchen by banning them from having jobs and making them the property of their fathers or husbands (No I'm not calling you a misogynist, this is just a hypothetical example of some wildly unpopular policy position).
So he says to O'Toole
Well that's stupid because even if O'Toole wanted to put women back in the kitchen, and even if he secretly planned on doing it, he'd be an idiot to publicly make that promise because it's wildly unpopular and would cost him the election.
So that moron who's demanding O'Toole promise to a wildly unpopular policy position that would guarantee he loses? That's you. That's exactly what you're doing right now. You're demanding O'toole take positions that would guarantee he loses because you have no forethought, you're not interested in solutions, you just want O'Toole to make the noises you want to hear. That's naive and childish.