Fringe right wing sensibilities, like not agreeing with CRT, not wanting to flood immigrants into the country faster than any other country in the world, etc etc etc
But you are promoting the PPC, and their policy is to shut off immigration completely. And when challenged on this, you say "Oh we just want to reduce immigration ande defend against CRT". It's the classic motte and bailey argument.
The PPC policy isn’t to turn off immigration entirely, they propose a temporary hiatus, and ultimately a reduction to between 100,000 - 150,000 per year.
IMO this approach is more reasonable and moderate than the main parties’ approach of flooding the country with double probably quadruple that.
Meanwhile this mass immigration of dramatically favours the liberals at the expense of CPC.
To be clear I voted CPC since the founding, last time I had to pinch my nose pretty hard, this time they’ve gone too far.
A new leader and a platform in defense of fundamental freedoms and they get my vote back, till then they can pound sand.
and their policy is to shut off immigration completely
Even if it is, why are we obligated to take in immigrants? Try immigrating to China. Try to get citizenship or a work visa there. YOU CAN'T. So why are WE obligated to take them in and let them buy up our land while Canadians sleep in parks?
Why don't you link to RationalWiki, the place where you really got the motte and bailey bs. Just an FYI for you, though pointing out percieved "logical fallacies" certainly makes for great snarky remarks, it doesn't refute or address any of his points.
We need immigration. We are the second largest landmass in the world yet with a population of under 40 million We are a drop in the bucket vs the other 9 billion.
The problem is the countries us racists would like immigration from; ie European countries - have already been drained. They can barely make enough babies to keep their populations stable let alone provide an excess.
So we take in middle eastern and African populations in their stead,, hoping an assimilation into our peaceful culture will make them peaceful as well. To be fair it mostly works. The trouble makers are a very small part of the overall net benefit of bringing them here.
In spite of all that, our angst of seeing the old Canada turn into a sea of multicultural enclaves where us multigenerational old stock Canadians are suddenly deemed irrelevant is a hard pill to swallow for many. This is why a hiatus or slowing down immigration is so attractive. We want Canada to, well.. stay Canada, not become Somalia North.
So what party can align our needs vs the world against the wants of our population?
So we take in middle eastern and African populations in their stead
Middle Eastern and African immigrants make up only a small percentage. People from India, the Philippines and China make up almost 60% of all current immigrants to Canada.
If "my" party isn't going to fight for my interests, why should it matter to me whether they win or not? u/Ham_Sandwich77 seems to be under the impression that elections should be a meaningless dick measurint contest, which they currently are.
And "fringe right wing ideas"? Since when is it fringe not to flood your nation with immigrants at a rate exceeding the birth rate? We used to call that colonisation and genocide, but if you try to talk about that you're a neo nazi because whites can't be genocided or be the victims of racism. The laws of physics forbid it because science has a liberal bias.
So do you want your party to just make the noises you want to hear? Or do you want them to win. Because when you're fringe minority, you can't have both. I don't know why this is so difficult to understand.
You seem unable to comprehend that a "victory" for a Conservative party whose policy is in no way conservative is no victory at all. Unless you are implying lying by omission to attain victory, but I have no reason to believe that Mr. Tool has any intention to implement the policies that I want.
Ok, so keep promoting those fringe right-wing ideas in an overwhelmingly left-wing country and then keep wondering why you never so much as win a seat.
Like at what point do you stop living in groyper fantasyland dream world and face the reality that you you do not live in a country were elections can be won on far right-platforms, meaning you can either be a centrist/moderate conservative or you can spend the rest of your existence in political wilderness?
I still don't understand what point you're trying to make. Is it "liberals win elections so vote for liberal policies"? Just give up my principles, it's so simple, why didn't I think of that before?
I struggle to understand why you are even here since you don't seem to be conservative or nationalist at all.
Bremember when Macdonalds was like starter jobs but now their all fillipino clubs or whatever depending where you go. Chinese McDonald's Filipino McDonald's Indian McDonald's. No indigenous McDonald's?? Have you ever seen one? RAAAAACIST!!!! REEEEEEEEEE!
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Fringe right wing sensibilities, like not agreeing with CRT, not wanting to flood immigrants into the country faster than any other country in the world, etc etc etc
Are you familiar with the Motte-and-bailey fallacy? Because you're doing it right now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy
You motte is "not agreeing with CRT" and "wanting to slow down immigration". Your bailey is "Ending immigration completely".
One of those positions is fairly moderate and could be popular with voters.
The other is extremely radical and will get you nowhere.
I wasn’t familiar; and while it is interesting it doesn’t apply since I’ve never once advocated for ending immigration.
I neither expect PPC to win or that my sensibilities are far right wing, so I’d say your meme is a straw man.
But you are promoting the PPC, and their policy is to shut off immigration completely. And when challenged on this, you say "Oh we just want to reduce immigration ande defend against CRT". It's the classic motte and bailey argument.
The PPC policy isn’t to turn off immigration entirely, they propose a temporary hiatus, and ultimately a reduction to between 100,000 - 150,000 per year.
IMO this approach is more reasonable and moderate than the main parties’ approach of flooding the country with double probably quadruple that.
Meanwhile this mass immigration of dramatically favours the liberals at the expense of CPC.
To be clear I voted CPC since the founding, last time I had to pinch my nose pretty hard, this time they’ve gone too far.
A new leader and a platform in defense of fundamental freedoms and they get my vote back, till then they can pound sand.
Even if it is, why are we obligated to take in immigrants? Try immigrating to China. Try to get citizenship or a work visa there. YOU CAN'T. So why are WE obligated to take them in and let them buy up our land while Canadians sleep in parks?
Why don't you link to RationalWiki, the place where you really got the motte and bailey bs. Just an FYI for you, though pointing out percieved "logical fallacies" certainly makes for great snarky remarks, it doesn't refute or address any of his points.
We need immigration. We are the second largest landmass in the world yet with a population of under 40 million We are a drop in the bucket vs the other 9 billion.
The problem is the countries us racists would like immigration from; ie European countries - have already been drained. They can barely make enough babies to keep their populations stable let alone provide an excess.
So we take in middle eastern and African populations in their stead,, hoping an assimilation into our peaceful culture will make them peaceful as well. To be fair it mostly works. The trouble makers are a very small part of the overall net benefit of bringing them here.
In spite of all that, our angst of seeing the old Canada turn into a sea of multicultural enclaves where us multigenerational old stock Canadians are suddenly deemed irrelevant is a hard pill to swallow for many. This is why a hiatus or slowing down immigration is so attractive. We want Canada to, well.. stay Canada, not become Somalia North.
So what party can align our needs vs the world against the wants of our population?
Middle Eastern and African immigrants make up only a small percentage. People from India, the Philippines and China make up almost 60% of all current immigrants to Canada.
u/JiggsawCalrissian stop abusing the report button. You've been warned at least once. Now take a couple days off.
Thanks for the advice BTW, that's exactly what I'll do.
If "my" party isn't going to fight for my interests, why should it matter to me whether they win or not? u/Ham_Sandwich77 seems to be under the impression that elections should be a meaningless dick measurint contest, which they currently are.
And "fringe right wing ideas"? Since when is it fringe not to flood your nation with immigrants at a rate exceeding the birth rate? We used to call that colonisation and genocide, but if you try to talk about that you're a neo nazi because whites can't be genocided or be the victims of racism. The laws of physics forbid it because science has a liberal bias.
So do you want your party to just make the noises you want to hear? Or do you want them to win. Because when you're fringe minority, you can't have both. I don't know why this is so difficult to understand.
You seem unable to comprehend that a "victory" for a Conservative party whose policy is in no way conservative is no victory at all. Unless you are implying lying by omission to attain victory, but I have no reason to believe that Mr. Tool has any intention to implement the policies that I want.
Ok, so keep promoting those fringe right-wing ideas in an overwhelmingly left-wing country and then keep wondering why you never so much as win a seat.
Like at what point do you stop living in groyper fantasyland dream world and face the reality that you you do not live in a country were elections can be won on far right-platforms, meaning you can either be a centrist/moderate conservative or you can spend the rest of your existence in political wilderness?
I still don't understand what point you're trying to make. Is it "liberals win elections so vote for liberal policies"? Just give up my principles, it's so simple, why didn't I think of that before?
I struggle to understand why you are even here since you don't seem to be conservative or nationalist at all.
Bremember when Macdonalds was like starter jobs but now their all fillipino clubs or whatever depending where you go. Chinese McDonald's Filipino McDonald's Indian McDonald's. No indigenous McDonald's?? Have you ever seen one? RAAAAACIST!!!! REEEEEEEEEE! (This post must be read in vocal fry)
So, virtue-signal in other words. You're not interested in results, you're just interested in being pandered to.
"Wake people up"? North Korea and China have been under communism for the better part of a century. When are they going to "wake up"?
"Accellerationism" is a 4chan meme that's a credible as Qanon.
Things can get a lot worse and they can stay that way indefinitely.