This is quite an antivax message. Apparently vaccines DO FUCKING NOTHING according to Trudeau. I don't believe that, I don't believe most people think that either. These vaccines work at pretty much making COVID a nonissue. For many of us though we are not impressed by the rushed roll out, limited testing when vaccines normally have 7 years of testing and preparation. Also the recent evidence of the COVID protein spike being a huge part of what damages human cells, and the lipid nanoparticles also causing issues makes me happy 'just waited a bit'.
I'm much more comfortable with a traditional vaccines like Novavax will be releasing. It doesn't use the COVID protein spike. it uses
And the fact is the opposite.
Vaccinated people are literally more of a risk to the unvaccinated.
Yes, the vaccinated can carry and transmit the virus just as much as the unvaccinated. That means they can infect the unvaccinated which can then lead to the deaths of the unvaccinated.
How can an unvaccinated person put a vaccinated person at risk?
Because wearing a seatbelt doesn't guarantee you won't be killed in an accident.
Same principal. The vaccine only lowers your risk of being seriously ill or dying from the original virus, and the Delta variant appears to be more dangerous than the original.
Anyone who thinks a vaccinated person can't get the virus isn't keeping up. The advantage of the vaccine is that on average people don't get as sick, are less likely to need a hospital or ICU bed, and are less likely to die. That's all.
so then the unvaccinated should drop dead as soon as they get Delta variant. so what's the actual threat? how is an unvaccinated person infected with this deadly plague able to carry on normal life, get on a bus and train and then infect the "vaccinated' person
I don't think so. Maybe you're thinking of someone else's comment. All I said was "the Delta variant appears to be more dangerous than the original"
You continue to prove your lack of critical thinking to any observers.
Any observers can google "Delta variant more dangerous" and read the results:
"Delta had a 120% greater risk of hospitalization, 287% greater risk of ICU admission and 137% greater risk of death compared to non-variant of concern strains of SARS-COV-2."
"Data indicate that Delta is 40-60% more transmissible than Alpha and almost twice as transmissible as the original Wuhan strain of SARS-CoV-2"
Correct. What the vaccines do is reduce the load on the healthcare system. Today in Ontario only 18% of the new cases, people in hospital, and people in ICU are fully vaccinated. The other 82% come from the 25% who aren't fully vaccinated. (https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data)
Says the various public health officials and organizations
I repeat: who else? You saying so doesn't count, 'cause who are you?
What vaccines do is generate immunity, and stop infections because the immune system attacks the(in this case of viral vaccines), before the host can reach a point that they become symptomatic and spread the disease through standard vectors.
Being vaccinated does not mean you cannot be infected and spread the infection, but statistically you are less likely to get seriously sick or die, and in some cases - depending on which vaccine and which variant - you may pass the virus on at a much reduced rate.
In Canada, like the US - unless you die, they don't count your admission.
Pure, unadulterated nonesense. You aren't counted unless you test positive.
That’s not at all how they were originally billed. “Take the vaxx and get your old life back”
The message was more like "vaccines will help". Prove me wrong.
And they have helped. Currently the new covid cases and those in hospital beds and ICUs are mostly unvaccinated people, despite the fact that they only represent about a third of the population in Ontario.
"We may never get back to what life was like before the coronavirus,"
"we need 70% to 85% of Americans vaccinated" The US has about 50%, Ontario about 65%
With that degree of vaccination - the one we haven't reached yet - it talks about "approaching a degree of normality", not getting your old life back.
That interview with Fauci was published in January, before the wide spread of the variants of concern. If you're expecting atomically accurate predictions in the early stages of a global fight against a new virus you're gonna have a bad time.
That was conditional on getting enough people vaccinated, and I don't know how much consideration was given to variants back then. That was then, this is now, and we don't have enough people vaccinated yet.
Nobody back then had - and nobody now has - a fully functioning crystal ball. The ride is not over. The best chance for a happy outcome individually is to get vaccinated, but it isn't a gold-plated guarantee that anyone will be immune from harm.
According to leading scientists, your natural immune system generates immunity to multiple components of the virus. This promotes your protection against a vast range of viral variants and abrogates further spread to anyone else.
The vaccine has no impact on whether or not the virus spreads. Vaccinated people are just as likely to spread the virus as unvaccinated people.
your natural immune system generates immunity to multiple components of the virus
Baloney. The majority of the people who currently have covid come from the minority who are unvaccinated. People's "natural immune system" isn't doing the trick. https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data
ensuring a certain percentage remain unvaxxed protects
Only if they have no contact with others. Otherwise they're still in the game as the "Control" side of the experiment, and still capable of infecting others and fostering new variants.
If you want to impose medical apartheid that’s your choice, but don’t think you’ll be immune from criminal prosecution for crimes against humanity.
So he admits the "vaccine" doesn't work since a vaccinated person is at "risk" from catching covid...
This guy is saying the dumbest sh*t and his base is eating it up. The current canadian liberal is a useless idiot.
He also said "The answer to tyranny is an election" So he admits he being tyrannical since he called an election?!?!
What kind of world do we live in where the unvaccinated are being treated more harshly than the Taliban.
If it doesn't provide immunity its not a "vaccine" by definition...why isn't anyone talking about this! Its more of a therapy to reduce symptoms.
A passport for this shit is completely retarded!!!
I thought vaccinated people are putting non-vaccinated people at risk...
This is quite an antivax message. Apparently vaccines DO FUCKING NOTHING according to Trudeau. I don't believe that, I don't believe most people think that either. These vaccines work at pretty much making COVID a nonissue. For many of us though we are not impressed by the rushed roll out, limited testing when vaccines normally have 7 years of testing and preparation. Also the recent evidence of the COVID protein spike being a huge part of what damages human cells, and the lipid nanoparticles also causing issues makes me happy 'just waited a bit'.
I'm much more comfortable with a traditional vaccines like Novavax will be releasing. It doesn't use the COVID protein spike. it uses
And the fact is the opposite.
Vaccinated people are literally more of a risk to the unvaccinated.
Yes, the vaccinated can carry and transmit the virus just as much as the unvaccinated. That means they can infect the unvaccinated which can then lead to the deaths of the unvaccinated.
The vaccinated... are the real risk. LOL
Because wearing a seatbelt doesn't guarantee you won't be killed in an accident.
Same principal. The vaccine only lowers your risk of being seriously ill or dying from the original virus, and the Delta variant appears to be more dangerous than the original.
Anyone who thinks a vaccinated person can't get the virus isn't keeping up. The advantage of the vaccine is that on average people don't get as sick, are less likely to need a hospital or ICU bed, and are less likely to die. That's all.
so then the unvaccinated should drop dead as soon as they get Delta variant. so what's the actual threat? how is an unvaccinated person infected with this deadly plague able to carry on normal life, get on a bus and train and then infect the "vaccinated' person
Where did you get that idea?
It's hard to believe you haven't heard that some people don't get very sick.
I don't think so. Maybe you're thinking of someone else's comment. All I said was "the Delta variant appears to be more dangerous than the original"
Any observers can google "Delta variant more dangerous" and read the results:
"Delta had a 120% greater risk of hospitalization, 287% greater risk of ICU admission and 137% greater risk of death compared to non-variant of concern strains of SARS-COV-2."
"Data indicate that Delta is 40-60% more transmissible than Alpha and almost twice as transmissible as the original Wuhan strain of SARS-CoV-2"
and so on...
when SHTF i will gladly put people like you out of your misery, and feel good doing it.
I see you've had your account for 4 days. Welcome aboard Junior.
Says you and who else? (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Is+the+delta+variant+more+dangerous)
Correct. What the vaccines do is reduce the load on the healthcare system. Today in Ontario only 18% of the new cases, people in hospital, and people in ICU are fully vaccinated. The other 82% come from the 25% who aren't fully vaccinated. (https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data)
I repeat: who else? You saying so doesn't count, 'cause who are you?
Being vaccinated does not mean you cannot be infected and spread the infection, but statistically you are less likely to get seriously sick or die, and in some cases - depending on which vaccine and which variant - you may pass the virus on at a much reduced rate.
Pure, unadulterated nonesense. You aren't counted unless you test positive.
The message was more like "vaccines will help". Prove me wrong.
And they have helped. Currently the new covid cases and those in hospital beds and ICUs are mostly unvaccinated people, despite the fact that they only represent about a third of the population in Ontario.
So how does sitting next to an unvaccinated person harm the vaccinated person?
Did you read that article?
"We may never get back to what life was like before the coronavirus,"
"we need 70% to 85% of Americans vaccinated" The US has about 50%, Ontario about 65%
With that degree of vaccination - the one we haven't reached yet - it talks about "approaching a degree of normality", not getting your old life back.
That interview with Fauci was published in January, before the wide spread of the variants of concern. If you're expecting atomically accurate predictions in the early stages of a global fight against a new virus you're gonna have a bad time.
That was conditional on getting enough people vaccinated, and I don't know how much consideration was given to variants back then. That was then, this is now, and we don't have enough people vaccinated yet.
Nobody back then had - and nobody now has - a fully functioning crystal ball. The ride is not over. The best chance for a happy outcome individually is to get vaccinated, but it isn't a gold-plated guarantee that anyone will be immune from harm.
1 By incubating a new variant. 2 By spreading the virus - vaccination only improves your odds, it doesn't provide invincible protection.
True. And vaccinated people are at less risk.
According to leading scientists, your natural immune system generates immunity to multiple components of the virus. This promotes your protection against a vast range of viral variants and abrogates further spread to anyone else.
The vaccine has no impact on whether or not the virus spreads. Vaccinated people are just as likely to spread the virus as unvaccinated people.
Try again.
Such as?
Baloney. The majority of the people who currently have covid come from the minority who are unvaccinated. People's "natural immune system" isn't doing the trick. https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data
And it's unvaccinated and partially vaccinated individuals who are taking up far more than their statistical share of health care resources.
What's your point?
Only if they have no contact with others. Otherwise they're still in the game as the "Control" side of the experiment, and still capable of infecting others and fostering new variants.
The whole thing is retarded, and most Canadians eat up the bullshit anyway.
Since when do these people deal in facts and logic?
Exactly. If the vaccine works then why should it matter if I didn't take it; and if it doesn't work then what difference does it make?
“I’m just following orders.”
Said the lackeys of every tyranny in history.
Because no vaccine has a 100% efficacy rate.
Only 98% of Canadian have got Covid. That means the vax is less effective than doing nothing.