The difference is even more pronounced when booster shots are taken into account. In the over-60 age group, 222 of patients in serious condition are unvaccinated, while 101 have received two doses of the vaccine and 46 have received a booster shot. Among those under 60 who are in serious condition, 200 are unvaccinated, 49 have received two doses, and seven have received a booster shot.
Over 60
222 - no vaccine
101 - 2 shots
46 - 3 shots
Under 60
200 - no vaccine
49 - 2 shots
7 - 3 shots
So by no means a good sell on the vaccines (not pontificating those who chose to get that is your choice those the chose not to that is your choice) but assuming that these numbers are accurate we at least get some real concept of how effective they are. Assuming all people have a similar odd of being exposed and a similar add of multiple health factors and what nots it appears that we are looking at somewhere around 50% effective in those over 60 and somewhere around 75% effective for those under 60. This is purely in relation to serious conditions which is really what they have been trying to peddle the vaccine as providing.
Not the best not the worst. I can't see this changing anyones mind as to getting the vaccine. If this was high 90's I could see a legitimate argument but at 50/50 it really isn't going to change any minds even at 75% it isn't going to change the minds of those that are set in their opinions.
Over 60 222 - no vaccine 101 - 2 shots 46 - 3 shots
Under 60 200 - no vaccine 49 - 2 shots 7 - 3 shots
So by no means a good sell on the vaccines
I see it another way. Using those numbers, of the 625 patients in serious condition with covid there are a total of 422 who are not vaccinated. That means that two thirds of those patients are coming from the one sixth of the population that is not vaccinated.
The over/under 60 breakdown is interesting but everyone knows that while the risk is not zero for younger people it is greater for the elderly and the vulnerable.
Except they count people that dont have their 4th dose as unvaccinated now.
It's this kind of callous disregard for truth that makes people laugh at some of these posts.
The long-term planning people in Israel have no idea whether a 4th dose will be required, but they want to be ready for any eventuality.
"Israel is making preparations to ensure it has sufficient vaccine supply in case a fourth round of Covid-19 shots is needed" https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-12/israel-preparing-for-possible-fourth-covid-vaccine-dose
To twist that planning process into "they count people that dont have their 4th dose as unvaccinated" is just dumb.
Over 60 222 - no vaccine 101 - 2 shots 46 - 3 shots
Under 60 200 - no vaccine 49 - 2 shots 7 - 3 shots
So by no means a good sell on the vaccines (not pontificating those who chose to get that is your choice those the chose not to that is your choice) but assuming that these numbers are accurate we at least get some real concept of how effective they are. Assuming all people have a similar odd of being exposed and a similar add of multiple health factors and what nots it appears that we are looking at somewhere around 50% effective in those over 60 and somewhere around 75% effective for those under 60. This is purely in relation to serious conditions which is really what they have been trying to peddle the vaccine as providing.
Not the best not the worst. I can't see this changing anyones mind as to getting the vaccine. If this was high 90's I could see a legitimate argument but at 50/50 it really isn't going to change any minds even at 75% it isn't going to change the minds of those that are set in their opinions.
good post u/tuchodi interesting article
Thanks.
I see it another way. Using those numbers, of the 625 patients in serious condition with covid there are a total of 422 who are not vaccinated. That means that two thirds of those patients are coming from the one sixth of the population that is not vaccinated.
The over/under 60 breakdown is interesting but everyone knows that while the risk is not zero for younger people it is greater for the elderly and the vulnerable.