Indications are that omicron is mild and results in few hospitalizations and almost no deaths. The UK is report 50,000 cases per day with the actual number estimated at 200,000 (see article), about half of which are supposed to be omicron. Only 10 hospitalizations (mostly double vaxxed people) and one reported death. If it is 4 to 8-times more transmissible than delta then chances are you're going to get it and have a mild case and hopefully get some immunity.
And don't forget that as of Dec 14 2021 there are about 100% more unvaccinated people than vaccinated people in Ontario hospitals for covid treatment, despite coming from only 14% of the population. https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data
vaccinated people are not tested in hospital for covid
This is obviously false because the three main categories are vaccinated, unvaccinated, and partially vaccinated. See the table labeled "COVID-19 cases by vaccination status" at https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data
14% of Ontario's population is 2 million people. There are supposedly 200 unvaccinated people in hospital, a few dozen in ICU. ICU patients include people who are being treated for medical issues stemming from their illness (more likely "treatment") and may first have become sick when vaccines weren't available. Other people simply can't get the vaccine.
Also, this omicron variant is supposed to become dominant by the end of the month. Existing vaccines are highly ineffective against it (not that that's a big concern since it evidently mostly results in mild illnesses). So essentially soon you'll be considered "unvaccinated" until Pfizer can start production on their new omicron specific vaccine in March 2022. And then how long will you have to wait? HA HA
You might actually want to read that before posting it everywhere.
a) Half of deaths are fully vaccinated. (p. 21)
b) "Number of new daily hospitalizations remains very low and stable; deaths are extremely rare" (p. 51)
The fact that elderly fully vaccinated people are still dying suggests that many of the elderly who died prior to vaccines being available would likely have died anyway had they been fully vaccinated. Same goes for severely ill cases that require hospitalization. This is probably why the current numbers seem skewed and make it seem that "unvaccinated" people are more likely to be hospitalized and/or die. Truth is we don't know why people are unvaccinated, most probably because they have underlying health issues that prevent it. In the end we're only talking about a few score people out of millions.
Correct. The percentage of deaths among the unvaccinated is considerably higher than among the vaccinated.
That is the main point, since the other half of the deaths are coming from a small percentage of the population - the unvaccinated.
"Number of new daily hospitalizations remains very low and stable; deaths are extremely rare" (p. 51)
You left out "among children". That section is about pediatrics, those aged 0 to 17 years
As for the rest of your post those are just your unsupported opinions. If you have any links to back up your speculations they would add weight to your arguments.
You're just aping the twisted statistics issued by "health experts" meant to fear-monger people into getting vaccinated. Fact of the matter is vast majority of people, vaccinated or not, will not get a serious case of covid19 no matter how often the media tries to convince you otherwise by profiling rare exceptions. We've known for a long time that certain factors contribute to severity and death from covid19, so it's really not about vaxxed vs. unvaxxed, rather what underlying health issues contributed to deaths. In some cases these could have been rectified since the pandemic started (ie. vitamin D deficiency) but "health experts" chose to be silent. Moreover there are effective treatments for covid19 at this point so serious cases and deaths, esp. among unvaccinated shouldn't be an issue now, but again the "health experts" with their obsession with vaccines were reluctant to use them--how many thousands died as a result?
This guy usually posts some real stupid shit, and this is another example, but he almost had it right. What you meant to say was if 10% are unvaccinated, and 21% of Omicron people are unvaccinated, than the unvaccinated are more than twice represented.
You guys are wrong on this shit. The Omicron is coming out very minor, and the stats still support getting vaccinated very clearly for anyone over 40, and a little less clear for people 18-40.
Man I tried my hardest to be nice, but it didn't work. You don't seem to understand math. This is me, actually agreeing with your ultimate point, while stating that the way you are describing suggests that you really don't understand.
It is not 50% of cases coming from 14% of the population, it's 21%, from 10-14%, which still benefits your argument. Yet you stand here, still, arguing 50%, notwithstanding the fact that you are describing that numbers that contradict your own argument.
It is not 50% of cases coming from 14% of the population, it's [......etc]
My numbers come from https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data. Never mind the numbers, just look at the size of the slices of the pie. Hospitalized / in ICU - huge slices for the unvaxxed. Vaccination progress - tiny slices for the unvaxxed.
I don't see any slices that correspond to your numbers so perhaps you can enlighten me. Where do yours come from?
Indications are that omicron is mild and results in few hospitalizations and almost no deaths. The UK is report 50,000 cases per day with the actual number estimated at 200,000 (see article), about half of which are supposed to be omicron. Only 10 hospitalizations (mostly double vaxxed people) and one reported death. If it is 4 to 8-times more transmissible than delta then chances are you're going to get it and have a mild case and hopefully get some immunity.
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/britain-says-omicron-spreading-phenomenal-rate-2021-12-13/
The reported death had it, they didn't die from it. Still zero deaths.
Not so far. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-03273-0
And don't forget that as of Dec 14 2021 there are about 100% more unvaccinated people than vaccinated people in Ontario hospitals for covid treatment, despite coming from only 14% of the population. https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data
This is obviously false because the three main categories are vaccinated, unvaccinated, and partially vaccinated. See the table labeled "COVID-19 cases by vaccination status" at https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data
June. I believe that was before they started publishing vaccination status.
That is not the case now. You can see the daily figures at https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data
14% of Ontario's population is 2 million people. There are supposedly 200 unvaccinated people in hospital, a few dozen in ICU. ICU patients include people who are being treated for medical issues stemming from their illness (more likely "treatment") and may first have become sick when vaccines weren't available. Other people simply can't get the vaccine.
Also, this omicron variant is supposed to become dominant by the end of the month. Existing vaccines are highly ineffective against it (not that that's a big concern since it evidently mostly results in mild illnesses). So essentially soon you'll be considered "unvaccinated" until Pfizer can start production on their new omicron specific vaccine in March 2022. And then how long will you have to wait? HA HA
The numbers from November in BC dropped into my lap:
Based on data over the last 4 weeks, compared with fully vaccinated individuals and after adjusting for age differences, unvaccinated individuals are
• ≈ 8x more likely to become a case
• ≈ 32x more likely to be hospitalized
• ≈ 20x more likely to die
http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/COVID_sitrep/2021-11-18-Data_Summary.pdf - Page 19
If I find the Ontario numbers I'll post them.
You might actually want to read that before posting it everywhere.
a) Half of deaths are fully vaccinated. (p. 21)
b) "Number of new daily hospitalizations remains very low and stable; deaths are extremely rare" (p. 51)
The fact that elderly fully vaccinated people are still dying suggests that many of the elderly who died prior to vaccines being available would likely have died anyway had they been fully vaccinated. Same goes for severely ill cases that require hospitalization. This is probably why the current numbers seem skewed and make it seem that "unvaccinated" people are more likely to be hospitalized and/or die. Truth is we don't know why people are unvaccinated, most probably because they have underlying health issues that prevent it. In the end we're only talking about a few score people out of millions.
Correct. The percentage of deaths among the unvaccinated is considerably higher than among the vaccinated.
That is the main point, since the other half of the deaths are coming from a small percentage of the population - the unvaccinated.
You left out "among children". That section is about pediatrics, those aged 0 to 17 years
As for the rest of your post those are just your unsupported opinions. If you have any links to back up your speculations they would add weight to your arguments.
You're just aping the twisted statistics issued by "health experts" meant to fear-monger people into getting vaccinated. Fact of the matter is vast majority of people, vaccinated or not, will not get a serious case of covid19 no matter how often the media tries to convince you otherwise by profiling rare exceptions. We've known for a long time that certain factors contribute to severity and death from covid19, so it's really not about vaxxed vs. unvaxxed, rather what underlying health issues contributed to deaths. In some cases these could have been rectified since the pandemic started (ie. vitamin D deficiency) but "health experts" chose to be silent. Moreover there are effective treatments for covid19 at this point so serious cases and deaths, esp. among unvaccinated shouldn't be an issue now, but again the "health experts" with their obsession with vaccines were reluctant to use them--how many thousands died as a result?
So a 2% case fatality rate does not impress you. How many dead would it take?
Even though so many more unvaxxed than vaxxed - proportionally - are having serious problems with covid? https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data
So you say. Which ones have met normally accepted standards during trials?
Case fatality rate is based on people tested positive not all people that actually have covid, so no it doesn't impress me.
This guy usually posts some real stupid shit, and this is another example, but he almost had it right. What you meant to say was if 10% are unvaccinated, and 21% of Omicron people are unvaccinated, than the unvaccinated are more than twice represented.
You guys are wrong on this shit. The Omicron is coming out very minor, and the stats still support getting vaccinated very clearly for anyone over 40, and a little less clear for people 18-40.
Way more than twice. If 50% of your cases are coming from 14% of your population it's telling you something. Maybe you'll listen, maybe you won't.
Man I tried my hardest to be nice, but it didn't work. You don't seem to understand math. This is me, actually agreeing with your ultimate point, while stating that the way you are describing suggests that you really don't understand.
It is not 50% of cases coming from 14% of the population, it's 21%, from 10-14%, which still benefits your argument. Yet you stand here, still, arguing 50%, notwithstanding the fact that you are describing that numbers that contradict your own argument.
I appreciate your efforts.
My numbers come from https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data. Never mind the numbers, just look at the size of the slices of the pie. Hospitalized / in ICU - huge slices for the unvaxxed. Vaccination progress - tiny slices for the unvaxxed.
I don't see any slices that correspond to your numbers so perhaps you can enlighten me. Where do yours come from?