Well That Escalated Quickly
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There. Fixed that for you.
It's too early to say what the balance will be between how fast it spreads and how hard it hits. If we're lucky it will be mild enough that the spread won't result in plugged hospitals.
If it's 1/2 as severe but spreads 6 times as fast there we are still going to be in trouble. People do die from Omicron https://toronto.citynews.ca/2021/12/29/study-omicron-risk-hospitalization-death/.
Hope for the best and plan for the worst: get vaccinated & wear a mask.
People die from the common cold as well. Looking at Denmark and South Africa data, Omicron is extremely mild to the vast majority of people.
The vaccines do not prevent any transmission of Omicron, so why on earth would you say "get vaccinated" when it does literally nothing here except possibly reduce severity to those who have extreme co-morbidities? Because it prevents taking up hospital beds? Any remotely healthy person is most likely not going to have issues. If it turns out otherwise in a few weeks, then we'll need to re-look at it but so far it is doing what Denmark and South Africa had.
Also,
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1476958517869395969
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1476583826344267777
You can pull up the studies in the tweets.
95.58% of Omicron cases are in vaccinated in Germany, with a 71.1% vaccination rate.
Similar issue in Denmark.
There's another study out there showing that your protection goes negative after the efficacy wanes, so you need to booster to even get back above normal. The numbers above agree with that study.
Would love to hear your thoughts on why that isn't the case. I'm not trolling or hostile here, just against forcing mass vaccination vs focusing on those at-risk and therapeutics for healthy individuals.
There are half a dozen factors that influence the impact of the virus. Average age, population compliance, existence of regionally-specifc corona viruses, robustness of the healthcare system, general health of the population, etc. Let's wait and see what it does to the healthcare system in Canada before we assume much.
Unvaccinated people show up in hospitals and ICUs in Canada in vastly larger numbers, proportionally, than vaccinated people. It would be nice if Omicron changed that for the better, but the speed of its transmission is a new factor and it remains unclear whether there will still be too many for the healthcare system.
I'll look at the tweets later and respond separately.
Case counts aren't as valid anymore - the counting system is overwhelmed. It's hospital/ICU counts that are the best indicators now.
The protection against infection wanes significantly. The protection against severe illness remains fairly strong. It's New Years and I have to go pretty quick but you can look it up. Boosters do help, of course, so getting one (or however many we're going to need) improves your chances of staying out of the hospital - and not passing it on.
You know that what you wrote is common knowledge, right? I mean, how can it not be? This is what the news has been saying for the last few weeks. You also know that that's not what I was talking about, right? Every time you engage with me, you deflect to something else. Is there a point to this or are you a retard?
Also, vaccines don’t prevent omicron infection. You didn’t need to fix anything for me.
But they reduce its severity, and that keeps people out of hospitals, freeing up beds for people with other problems. It's early days but already they can see that: "Thus, during the proxy omicron period, we saw a maintenance of effectiveness of the BNT162b2 [Pfizer–BioNTech] vaccine (albeit at a reduced level) against hospital admission for Covid-19 that was presumed to have been caused by the omicron variant as compared with the rate associated with the delta variant earlier in the year." https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2119270
You're now finally replying to what I actually was talking about.
Vaccines don't prevent infection. This is still correct, based on Ontario's data since omicron became dominant.
The study that you linked to shows 70% efficacy against hospitalization for omicron vs 93% efficacy for Delta. My prediction was that it wouldn't help. It does help, although it's waning. The results from this study still have to replicated.
Transmission rates and severity are two different things but you lump them together under "infection".