Nice mental gymnastics there. Vaccines don’t prevent infection or transmission. If anything, if you’re vaccinated you have a higher chance to get infected. That’s why vaccinated people are getting sicker at a higher rate.
vaccinated people are getting sicker at a higher rate.
You are confusing testing positive with going to the hospital. Unvaccinated people are seven times more likely to wind up in the hospital and 20 times more likely to wind up in the ICU than vaccinated people.
Are you obese or a smoker? If so you are clogging up the healthcare system with your reckless negligence and your callous selfishness. Those two comorbidities along with COVID will greatly increase your chances of ending up in the ICU
Unless, of course, it's that the people who generate those numbers are lying to you, and all the other people generating similar statistics in all those other countries are lying too. That one is too unbelievable.
Your shitty leaky vaccine is causing all of this illness
Do you believe that because you have the knowledge and experience to prove it, or are you just listening to assorted uncredentialed people on the Internet?
These are stats as of today and will change within a few weeks after the people that are currently in hospital with Delta are discharged. Omicron will change these stats, as current vaccines are not as effective in keeping people out of the hospital. We will still see higher rates of hospitalization of unvaccinated people, but not as much as it is today.
If you're still pushing vaccines, here's how to properly evaluate whether a covid vaccine is right for you:
what is the probability that, first, you will get covid and, second, you will need hospitalization for it (Answer: it is extremely low).
or;
You get the vaccine. What is the probability that you will still get covid and up in the hospital even after being vaccinated? This probability is lower than point #1 above. However, it also comes with another risk - What is the probability that you will get a vaccine injury that requires hospitalization? Both of these probabilities have to be added in this scenario. And, the answer is still that risk of hospitalization will be very low.
In each case, hospitalization is extremely low, enough that you don't need to worry. However, if you're fat, unhealthy, or old, your risk in point one is likely something that you should worry about.
Read my original message. It's not anti-vax. You're taking a page out of the liberal playbook - Anybody that's not 100% onboard with covid vaccines are labelled anti-vax. Yes, I get it - You can recite what CTV News is preaching.This isn't an intelligent accusation, though. It's actually the complete opposite of an intelligent accusation and it's immature.
here's how to properly evaluate whether a covid vaccine is right for you
No mention at all of the effect your decision will have on others. Whether you are anti-vax or not it's still one of the roots of the anti-vax playbook.
Did you read the disclaimer at the bottom of their home page?
"The information is provided with the understanding that the authors and publishers are not herein engaged in rendering medical, pharmaceutical, nutritional, mental health, legal, or any other professional advice or services. As such, it should not be used as a substitute for consultation and advice from a licensed professional in the specific field of interest who will provide recommendations based on your particular situation and factual background. Do not make any decisions based on the information contained or presented on this website without consulting an appropriate professional." https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/
You won't find that disclaimer at the CDC, Johns Hopkins, etc.
do you know if the statistics in these graphs are using the 2 weeks after 2nd dose to be considered fully vaccinated, or 2 weeks after the new booster to be fully vaccinated?
"Because the percentage of people who received third doses in Ontario currently is low, the data do not yet reflect the effect of a widespread use of third doses in Ontario’s population." https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/ontario-dashboard/
tudochi clearly avoids all talk of preventive treatments
Let me fix that: Take care of your health everyone. Follow the food guides, exercise regularly, don't smoke or drink, follow your doctor's recommendations for treatment, and get vaccinated, because vaccinated people don't get as sick or die as often when they catch covid.
The people in the iCUs are there for covid and all the other "normal" reasons. They aren't there for anything the vaccines did. If you have proof to the contrary let's have it.
Honest question here Tuchodi. Why are you so in love with a forced experimental therapeutic medical treatment? Do you not think that people have the right to deny a medical treatment they don’t want. You admit it’s not a vaccine, yet you still suck big pharma off.
Why are you so in love with a forced experimental therapeuticthe best medical treatment that science has to offer in the face of the worst global pandemic in over a century?
Do you not think that people have the right to deny a medical treatment they don’t want.
Of course they do. But they don't have a right to piss and moan about the consequences if they choose not to protect themselves and others from a new, highly contagious disease.
You admit it’s not a vaccine
What?
yet you still suck big pharma off
You can characterize it that way if you want. I'm trying to keep people, especially vulnerable people who are on immune system suppressants for arthritis, lupus, inflammatory bowel disease, multiple sclerosis, type 1 diabetes, psoriasis, etc., or people on dialysis, chemotherapy, etc. alive.
These are the "comorbidity" that some asshats disregard when they just call it "fat".
It takes four years to train a nurse and seven years to train a doctor. You seem to think the government should have started in 2012 to get doctors ready for the pandemic of 2019.
Are you overweight or a smoker? If so you are putting our ICU bed capacity at risk and should be deprived of your rights and privileges in society
If I was I couldn't pass it on to you.
Vaccines don’t prevent infection or transmission. Sorry to say.
But vaccines do reduce severity, which is a component of "infection" by any definition except yours. So your statement that
is incorrect.
Nice mental gymnastics there. Vaccines don’t prevent infection or transmission. If anything, if you’re vaccinated you have a higher chance to get infected. That’s why vaccinated people are getting sicker at a higher rate.
You are confusing testing positive with going to the hospital. Unvaccinated people are seven times more likely to wind up in the hospital and 20 times more likely to wind up in the ICU than vaccinated people.
Have a closer look at those graphs.
Are you obese or a smoker? If so you are clogging up the healthcare system with your reckless negligence and your callous selfishness. Those two comorbidities along with COVID will greatly increase your chances of ending up in the ICU
If you were taking up a hospital bed for that it wouldn't be because you got it from me. Those things aren't contagious.
What's your explanation for those numbers.
Unless, of course, it's that the people who generate those numbers are lying to you, and all the other people generating similar statistics in all those other countries are lying too. That one is too unbelievable.
Do you believe that because you have the knowledge and experience to prove it, or are you just listening to assorted uncredentialed people on the Internet?
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These are stats as of today and will change within a few weeks after the people that are currently in hospital with Delta are discharged. Omicron will change these stats, as current vaccines are not as effective in keeping people out of the hospital. We will still see higher rates of hospitalization of unvaccinated people, but not as much as it is today.
If you're still pushing vaccines, here's how to properly evaluate whether a covid vaccine is right for you:
or;
In each case, hospitalization is extremely low, enough that you don't need to worry. However, if you're fat, unhealthy, or old, your risk in point one is likely something that you should worry about.
You left out "What is the probability you will pass it on?"
No i didn't. I never intended to discuss that at all.
How convenient.
If your girlfriend is fat, definitely get the vaccine and don't leave your house.
There we have it folks. One of the roots of the anti-vax playbook.
Read my original message. It's not anti-vax. You're taking a page out of the liberal playbook - Anybody that's not 100% onboard with covid vaccines are labelled anti-vax. Yes, I get it - You can recite what CTV News is preaching.This isn't an intelligent accusation, though. It's actually the complete opposite of an intelligent accusation and it's immature.
No mention at all of the effect your decision will have on others. Whether you are anti-vax or not it's still one of the roots of the anti-vax playbook.
Did you read the disclaimer at the bottom of their home page?
"The information is provided with the understanding that the authors and publishers are not herein engaged in rendering medical, pharmaceutical, nutritional, mental health, legal, or any other professional advice or services. As such, it should not be used as a substitute for consultation and advice from a licensed professional in the specific field of interest who will provide recommendations based on your particular situation and factual background. Do not make any decisions based on the information contained or presented on this website without consulting an appropriate professional." https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/
You won't find that disclaimer at the CDC, Johns Hopkins, etc.
The Canadian Covid Care Alliance is a business with two employees. They made over $651,200 USD but they need your support. https://www.dnb.com/business-directory/company-profiles.canadian_covid_care_alliance.ec35d17c5e450a72157c895ef8ed7801.html
Uh huh! They have to be, don't they. Otherwise your story falls apart.
The fact that you present no proof isn't helping your argument.
do you know if the statistics in these graphs are using the 2 weeks after 2nd dose to be considered fully vaccinated, or 2 weeks after the new booster to be fully vaccinated?
"Because the percentage of people who received third doses in Ontario currently is low, the data do not yet reflect the effect of a widespread use of third doses in Ontario’s population." https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/ontario-dashboard/
Doesn't look like it.
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You remind me of a flat earther. All the evidence is available to you but for some reason you can't see it.
Let me fix that: Take care of your health everyone. Follow the food guides, exercise regularly, don't smoke or drink, follow your doctor's recommendations for treatment, and get vaccinated, because vaccinated people don't get as sick or die as often when they catch covid.
See https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/ontario-dashboard for assorted graphs and charts.
You say it's from the CDC but your link is to the Weather Channel. Too hard to find the CDC document?
You're just learning this now?
You better let them know that they're all wrong. I'm sure they'll appreciate it.
Except that you can see that in Ontario the unvaxxed are vastly over-represented in the hospitals and ICUs, so your fake news doesn't apply here. https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/ontario-dashboard/
There are people who are vaxxed, people who are partially vaxxed, and people who are unvaxxed.
It's simple.
And proportionally way more of the unvaxxed wind up in serious trouble with covid. The numbers are here: https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/ontario-dashboard/
Why are you categorizing the unvaxxed as unclean and needing to be washed?
The people in the iCUs are there for covid and all the other "normal" reasons. They aren't there for anything the vaccines did. If you have proof to the contrary let's have it.
Honest question here Tuchodi. Why are you so in love with a forced experimental therapeutic medical treatment? Do you not think that people have the right to deny a medical treatment they don’t want. You admit it’s not a vaccine, yet you still suck big pharma off.
Because it reduces the strain on the healthcare system, so people with "normal" medical problems might have a chance of getting the care they need. The proof is in the vaccination status of the people in the hospitals and ICUs: way way more unvaccintated people need that kind of treatment, proportionally, than vaccinated people. https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/2022-01-02-Current-COVID-19-Risk-in-Ontario-by-Vaccination-Status-Separate-Charts-1024x322.png
Of course they do. But they don't have a right to piss and moan about the consequences if they choose not to protect themselves and others from a new, highly contagious disease.
What?
You can characterize it that way if you want. I'm trying to keep people, especially vulnerable people who are on immune system suppressants for arthritis, lupus, inflammatory bowel disease, multiple sclerosis, type 1 diabetes, psoriasis, etc., or people on dialysis, chemotherapy, etc. alive.
These are the "comorbidity" that some asshats disregard when they just call it "fat".
It takes four years to train a nurse and seven years to train a doctor. You seem to think the government should have started in 2012 to get doctors ready for the pandemic of 2019.
Yeah? Prove it. I'm getting tired of your unsupported statements.
Zero new nurses into Canada there. It's just an application page.
Nurses not even mentioned on that page.
"1,031 invited candidates...because they may be eligible" - No mention of how many actually came on that page.
Yeah, no. Glad I didn't waste time finding those sources.
All they say is they're looking, not that they're finding.
At least when I post a link it supports my statement.
See https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/ontario-dashboard/