The vaccine experiment has failed like some experts predicted it would. There is a reason vaccines take 5+ years to develop.
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Look at the current ontario stats: https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data
0.13% of unvaccinated Ontarians are currently in hospital with Covid.
0.012% of vaccinated Ontarians are currently in hospital with Covid.
That’s about 10.8 times more likely for unvaccinated to currently be in hospital.
Considering that the overall likelihood for unvaccinated to end up in hospital since covid began was historically higher, the gap is now closing. This is trending in the wrong direction and, so, MrPussyWhiskers may be onto something.
Those numbers would mean something if there was an ICU bed for every resident of Ontario.
But given there are almost 15 million people in Ontario and only 2343 ICU beds (https://data.ontario.ca/dataset/availability-of-adult-icu-beds-and-occupancy-for-covid-related-critical-illness-crci/resource/c7f2590f-362a-498f-a06c-da127ec41a33) that means there is only about 0.00016 of an ICU bed per person, and that's a pretty tiny fraction of 0.13 or 0.012.
And a bunch of the real beds are taken up by people with other medical problems. There were, in fact, only 540 ICU beds available on January 6. https://www.durhamradionews.com/archives/149379
How about considering the record so far? Look at https://health-infobase.canada.ca/src/data/covidLive/Epidemiological-summary-of-COVID-19-cases-in-Canada-Canada.ca.pdf, which tells us that, in Table 2. "Characteristics and severe outcomes associated unvaccinated, partially vaccinated and fully vaccinated confirmed cases reported to PHAC, as of December 18, 2021"
Deaths:
75.6% Unvaccinated (no vax)
7.2% Cases not yet protected (1 vax but dies within 14 days)
7.0% Partially vaccinated (14 days past the first, but not 14 days past the 2nd)
10.2% Fully vaccinated (more than 14 days past the 2nd shot)
That includes the period before the vaccines were available, but as of today the unvaccinated are still heavily over-represented in the hospitals and ICUs. Despite being only 12% of the eligible population they are taking up 44% of the covid cases in ICU and 24% of the other covid cases in hospital.
Being vaccinated means you have a better chance of staying out of the hospital.
Perhaps you're missing the point. MrPussyWhiskers is proposing that authorities might not want a control group of unvaccinated, as it's much more difficult to hide the fact the vaccines are not as effective as promised and protection keeps waning as time passes.
It used to be 30 times less likely for unvaccinated to be in the hospital vs 10 times less likely now vs who knows how much less, if anything at all, in the future. Without a control group, the vaccine performs however good anybody says it does, without a way for anybody to verify the efficacy claims.
I don't see them rounding up vulnerable people who are on immune system suppressants for arthritis, lupus, inflammatory bowel disease, multiple sclerosis, type 1 diabetes, psoriasis, etc., or people on dialysis, chemotherapy, etc. and pushing over a cliff so they don't have a control group.
So I guess they have one anyway, and buddy is just listening to the voices in his head. I notice he didn't provide any other sources to back up his notion.
Sources? Geez. There’s a line between satire and being serious. You will never get it.
Thanks for the data.
Some highlights folks of this data set- https://health-infobase.canada.ca/src/data/covidLive/Epidemiological-summary-of-COVID-19-cases-in-Canada-Canada.ca.pdf
The big Q everyone wants to know is, ok, but.... is it gonna kill yo ass?
Page 24- and one can assume Canada gov figures mean, total so far. 96.3% of those dying of alleged corona or complications thereof, in the hosp are 50> of age. 91.8% are 60> years of age. No data i could find on comorbidities.
However, as of 7th of Jan this year, the CDC dir Dr. Rochelle Walensky stated on 'Good Morning America' that: "...the overwhelming number of death [sic] over 75% occurred in people who had at least 4 comorbidities, so really these are people who were unwell to begin with..." ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hVPz-A8auw )
One could reasonably extrapolate that since the US and Canadian populations are similar in diet, health, genetics, demographics etc that it also applies here.
Okay, so statistically, if you are 50 or under, or even slightly over 50 and perfect BMI and in rude health, the Xi special receipie probably wont kill yo ass.
Of those 'infected' - whats the chance it will again, kill yo unlucky ass? That is, how many people per 100 have died from X?
Page 5- The worst for alleged deaths from the covid is QC at 121,621 out of an alleged 696,182 "Cases" = 1.7% IFR (infection fatality rate), survival rate of 98.2% that didn't die after contracting said alleged covid. This data set we are going with the mainstream accepted narrative that a "positive" test means one is "infected".
Canada as a total: 2,437,822 million folks tested "positive". Of which 30,584 alleged covid deaths - 1.25% IFR, 98.75% survival rate, of the rest that did not die.
Tellingly, this is mostly covid patients or people who had no pre hospital admission treatment, owing to the (in Canada) bizarre nigh on ban on Ivermectin, Budesinide, HCQ, Periactin, Benedryl etc - as Dr. Peter McCullough has illustrated in countless interviews on mainstream, imagine how much lower the small death rate would be if pre admission treatment would be given as a first line, jabbed or not.
Just for shits, let's do the USA & Canada with a different data set Our World In Data: 1.4% of people allegedly died (from? With?) the covid per 100. ( https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-19-cumulative-confirmed-cases-vs-confirmed-deaths?xScale=linear&zoomToSelection=true&country=CAN~USA )
Canada 1.2%
Some interesting juxtaposition to bugs way, way more dangerous - shows that SARS-nCov-2 (The "covid") is a cake walk compared to:
SARS-nCov-1 - The FIRST one. 11%. Eleven percent!
Botulism 10% or less. TREATED! For food poisoning! Yes folks FOOD POISONING has a higher death rate than covid.
Ebola 25% CFR at best. (https://web.archive.org/web/20141214011751/https://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/ )
1918 Spanish Flu >2.5% CFR (CFR meaning % of those who were obviously ill, had the spanish flu & either died or survived, instead of IFR which includes "cases" of those a test alleges you have X but felt fine throughout, as well as those who got worse & died)
Legionnaires diesease 15% CFR
Yellow fever 20%
Bubonic plague 60%
Omicron has changed things in several ways, with its dozens of mutations and the speed of its spread. It's too soon to tell what all of the outcomes will be.
There are indications that having a booster shot of an mRNA vaccine provides some protection against being infected by Omicron, but otherwise it spreads through both the non-boosted vaccinated and unvaccinated populations at about the same rate. Having only two doses of an mRNA vaccine is no advantage there so far but, as stated, if you've received a Moderna or Pfizer booster there are indications you are better protected against Omicron. https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/01/no-omicron-immunity-without-booster-study-finds/
As of today there are 4,686,745 people from Ontario who are boosted but since case counting is no longer accurate it's impossible to see this effect. It would show up if they started classifying people who are boosted separately instead of lumping them in with the fully vaccinated.
So there are still a lot of unanswered questions around Omicron but the major one is "Will it flood the hospitals and continue to prevent people from getting care for "normal" illnesses?"
Not sure what the 2002 SARS epidemic has to do with anything today.
SARS-nCov-1 was a typo. I fixed it to 2.
Hmmm yes Omicron is an interesting development. Apparently there is also already another 'edition' HVU (HMU?) or somesuch.
Wether taking another (identical) shot to the first 3 will stave off omicron, depends on if it's even worth bothering with, that is, what data is there on the virulence and of that, resulting in a high IFR/CFR of omicron?
It's already been stated in the mainstream that omicron appears to have very low pathogenicity - referring to the proportion of alleged infected people - determined apparently by the PCR test or other methods being "positive" - who then develop clinical symptoms of the disease, of whatever severity.
Because a "positive" test apparently now is a "Case" irrespectivley as to if that person even 'feels' ill or not.
We are already in the 1.25% IFR rate, (Derived from data from previous versions, the Indian/Delta one being allegedly more virulent) and mostly elderly with comorbidities die with it, so if anyone who proposes the jab method, I posit we should be offering jabs to the alleged most vulnerable- that is, persons above 70/75.
And if they refuse it, let it be.
If it turns out that the virulence of omicron is even lower, to get us a lower IFR than 1.25% then that is surely good news, no? So far, it appears that omicron has very low virulence, that is, persons with clinical disease who become severely ill or die, as a sole cause, with no comorbidities.
I could not find any obvious internet search references to anyone worldwide dying entirely from omicron, however 1 person in the UK has died with it. (as of As of 13th dec 2021) I could not on superficial digging find the age & comorbidities of that person. If anyone has any data on deaths purely of people dying from omicron as the only cause with zero comorbidities, <70, worldwide, that would be great.
Now that you mentioned SARS1, that raises the Q about why a vaccine never came to market for that one, odd considering its 11% CFR. I do recall in the media at the time a big fuss was made about SARS1 at the time. But yet, one was developed for it's cousin, SARS2, even though the pathogenicity of the virus is a fraction of 1.
Ultimately, Canada is nearing 90% jabbed, higher if we exclude those who have already got natural innoculation & immunity by previously getting & recovering from the China variant/Alpha, the Oxford/Beta, Indian/delta, or South African/Omicron etc, under 10yrs, persons away from Canada for long streches, citizens who are ex pats etc).
The situation is as good as it's going to get.
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