The vax zealot's motte-and-bailey argument (used everywhere, including on this very forum)
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Tell a far-left loony that that seat belts currently don't prevent injuries and their go-to is to deflect to "ya, but less burden on hospital."
Yeah. Dumb, eh?
Tell a far left loony they're responsible for their own obesity co-morbidity, and they'll blame the unvaccinated for being a burden on hospitals.
That's the "I have every right to be as stupid as that guy!" argument. You sure that's what you want to be saying?
Just pointing out the silliness
It would be a parrallel if obesity was contagious.
Hey man, I know you're offended by my statement, but I wasn't calling you out personally. But, ya, I guess you know that you're one of the loonies since you're replying to this.
Just pointing out the silliness.
I think you're missing the point. Nobody here is disputing that vaccines alleviate the burden on hospitals. That's not what's being argued here.
Your camp are bent on punishing the unvaccinated on the basis that they're "putting you at risk". Vaccine passports, mass firings, vilification, second class citizens status. This was all predicated on the idea that the unvaccinated were "killing grandma" and generally delaying the end of this pandemic.
Then when we show you that no, in fact they're not putting you or grandma at risk or delaying the end of the pandemic, you abandon that argument and retreat to the "But less burdens on hospitals" straw man that nobody was arguing against. And you do it without conceding that the "putting you at risk" argument is bunk.
If you want to argue for vaccines on the basis that it alleviates the burden on hospitals then fine. That's a valid argument. But at least have the good faith to concede that the "You're putting me at risk and perpetuating the pandemic" narrative is wrong.
I acknowledge that. At one point in the vaccine/variant dance being vaccinated slowed down transmission and passed a less robust virus. But that's not the case any more and if anyone is still arguing that give 'em hell.
These days I'm arguing strictly for the "benefits to the healthcare system" angle, and I reserve the right to change if necessary if/when the next variant arrives.
Are you in favour of the BMI passport I floated?
?? Don't remember the specifics.
Get vaccinated. It lowers the strain on the healthcare system. If you could be vaccinated but refuse then you are accepting the risk that you might wind up increasing the load on the healthcare system. It would be better for our healthcare system if your ability to mingle in crowds was restricted while there's a contagious disease spreading quickly.
If you're obese you aren't going to pass it on, so why would you be restricted?