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RightOfSask 1 point ago +1 / -0

It's an unenforceable requirement/obligation now.

An unenforceable requirement is worth nothing. There is no punishment if a country doesn't meet the 2% GDP target.

He cancelled energy east to hinder delivering oil to europe.

Energy East was cancelled because Quebec was against it, not because he wanted to hinder oil deliveries to Europe. He secured votes in Quebec with the cancellation.

He also just announced significant reduction to oil and gas?

He didn't. Since Trudeau is in power oil production increased by over 30%. Trudeau can be the biggest environmentalist he can, but there is something even more powerful. Money, and oil makes money. Today we produce more oil than at any other point in Canadian history.

Canada and their 50 year old broken down unfunded military isnt even a great loss to NATO. We're out.

There are countries in NATO with an even more desolate military and no one is threatening them to throw them out. Canada could even reduce its military budget and we would be still a core member of NATO just because of the fact that we have the largest access to the Arctic.

Russia sends some more Tupolev Tu-160 to see how Canada is doing with our CF18s?

As we can see now in Ukraine these Russian planes aren't even a match to basic defenses like Stinger rockets. Our CF18s would destroy them easily.

Clearly Canada is more than required which is why Trudeau is hypocritically breaking another election promise of not buying F35s.

Times change. And be glad that the clown broke a shitty election promise. Just like with the electoral reform. If he had enacted an electoral reform, the CPC would never form a government again.

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sleepingsysadmin 1 point ago +1 / -0

An unenforceable requirement is worth nothing. There is no punishment if a country doesn't meet the 2% GDP target.

Fair point of view, but point I was getting at. Do you really want to risk this?

Energy East was cancelled because Quebec was against it, not because he wanted to hinder oil deliveries to Europe. He secured votes in Quebec with the cancellation.

Oh I understand. Not sure it makes a difference.

He didn't. Since Trudeau is in power oil production increased by over 30%. Trudeau can be the biggest environmentalist he can, but there is something even more powerful. Money, and oil makes money. Today we produce more oil than at any other point in Canadian history.

This was announced a day ago. https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/new-plan-to-cut-greenhouse-gases-in-canada-tabled-by-environment-minister

42% cut of emissions from oil and gas sector without impacting production? Uh huh... that's not how it works.

There are countries in NATO with an even more desolate military and no one is threatening them to throw them out. Canada could even reduce its military budget and we would be still a core member of NATO just because of the fact that we have the largest access to the Arctic.

Who? Luxumberg is basically the only one worse than Canada.

No, that arctic access is a liability to NATO. It's something Russia clearly wants.

As we can see now in Ukraine these Russian planes aren't even a match to basic defenses like Stinger rockets. Our CF18s would destroy them easily.

So let me explain what happens. Our radar sees these tu160s coming. We send out CF18s.

Suddenly our CF18s are flaming wrecks landing in the arctic because of SU57s obliterated the shit out of them before the CF18s could even tell they were there. CF18s never fired anything, they didn't even see who shot those a2a.

In terms of russian airforce not showing up to Ukraine? Ya they have lots of S300 type. Russia already took out most military installations. The cost-benefit isnt there to deploy the airforce.

How about canadian arctic? Did we sign onto the missile defence system the USA offered? lol not even harper signed up for that. We have nothing other than the cf18s and hope that our allies keep us from getting dominated. That basically makes nato pretty damned important. Better not risk not meeting our requirements.

Afterall, it's not like im saying anything. Trudeau clearly promised to do this and this is why the 180 on the f35s.

Times change.

They do indeed.

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RightOfSask 1 point ago +1 / -0

Do you really want to risk this?

Risk what? We both know that Canada won't be thrown out of NATO. It doesn't matter how much we spend or not.

42% cut of emissions from oil and gas sector without impacting production? Uh huh... that's not how it works.

Cutting CO2 emissions doesn't mean reducing production.

https://financialpost.com/commodities/energy/oil-gas/alberta-prioritizes-oil-sands-carbon-storage-hub-energy-minister-says

Oil companies aren't reducing activities in Alberta and Saskatchewan. Quite the opposite is currently happening because of the high oil price.

No, that arctic access is a liability to NATO. It's something Russia clearly wants.

It's not a liability. It's a line of defense.

Suddenly our CF18s are flaming wrecks landing in the arctic because of SU57s obliterated the shit out of them before the CF18s could even tell they were there.

SU57s don't even have the operational range to fly into Canada from Russia and Russia's only aircraft carrier isn't fit to operate in the Arctic. Russia doesn't have the capacities to attack Canada from the Arctic. Their military was exposed as a joke in the last four weeks in Ukraine. Our CF18s would be more than enough to stop any Russian attack.

Russia already took out most military installations.

And yet they can't capture cities like Charkiv, which are 30 mins from the Russian border. They lost so many aircrafts in the last days that they now rather launch cruise missiles out of Russia.

We have nothing other than the cf18s and hope that our allies keep us from getting dominated.

Russia isn't dominating anyone. Maybe China could dominate us, but they aren't a failing country like Russia and thus aren't interested in a war.

Trudeau clearly promised to do this and this is why the 180 on the f35s.

Be happy about it. It's a good thing that we will acquire F35s from the US.

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Pappy_Gunn 1 point ago +1 / -0

As we can see now in Ukraine these Russian planes aren't even a match to basic defenses like Stinger rockets. Our CF18s would destroy them easily.

You saw that? I didn't see any of that. I saw Ukrainians begging for old Polish fighters, begging for a no -fly zone. (Stingers are low level shoulder launched. Stay above 15k feet and you're good). This is not how somebody that is winnig the air war would behave. Our air force is not as confident as you concerning its ability to match Russia. Spending a jillion buck to buy F-35 isn't the way somebody would behave if they were convinced of their superiority.

The Russians are also less airpower-centric than we are. Why would they be? The west's airpower is probably unbeatable. On the ground though, the Russians are willing to take losses, us, not so much.

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RightOfSask 1 point ago +1 / -0

Russia doesn't even have air superiority over Ukraine. And now we had Ukrainian attack helicopters blowing up oil depots deep in Russia's territory. So yeah, Russia's air force is a joke compared to even our old CF18s. They can't even defend their territory against the supposed destroyed Ukraine Air Force.

Spending a jillion buck to buy F-35 isn't the way somebody would behave if they were convinced of their superiority.

Why not? Just because we have an superior air force doesn't mean that we shouldn't get even better. Russia isn't the only nation that could act up. China is a far bigger threat.

On the ground though, the Russians are willing to take losses, us, not so much.

And how is that working out? Russia's military is beyond incompetent.

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html

Just a website documenting equipment losses on both sides. Imagine losing over 2000 vehicles including almost 400 tanks and tell the world that the "special military operation" is going according to plan.

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Pappy_Gunn 1 point ago +1 / -0

If you don't mind, I'll wait until the propaganda dies down before assessing Russian losses. Is this your first time watching a war develop?