You asked about percentages and I said they were unknowable. We agree there's no way of knowing what the percentage of deaths in the infected actually is.
"you are in fact confusing high infection rate with high lethality."
What makes you think that? All I said was the count is 6 million dead.
"You are yourself relying on anecdotes" I'm sorry I didn't make myself clearer. Buddy seemed not to have any idea of the difference between injections that costs about $20 and a three week stay in an an ICU. Each help people beat covid.
though they initially lied and said they were 94 percent effective at preventing infection
"They" were reporting what the trials showed. It wasn't a lie. The virus has mutated and the game has changed. Not sure why you and others here are so invested in certain statements from the past, as though anyone was claiming they were still relevant.
The only support you supplied for your claim that non-covid deaths were misclassified did not, in fact, support that claim. What else do you have?
As for the much of the rest...
system that classified anyone who dies within 6 months of covid as a covid death
This has been a universal standard in the UK and in Canada.
dramatic drops in birthrates throughout the western world following the rollout of vaccines
increase in SADS
explanations like climate change, marijuana, etc are rolled out
criminally negligent
the lies they have fed you
etc.
You are welcome to your opinions but to me they look like misinformation. I'm sure you can find lots of other people who share them and publish them. As far as I can see a vast and convincing majority of the people who actually have relevant training and experience do not share them.
It's sad that you are unaware of what I am talking about. Remember that the mainstream media is censored. Social media shuts down all dissenting voices even when they are right. This is the very reason that this site and all other .win sites exist. The fact that they marginalize information and label it "misinformation" doesnt mean it isnt true. As Galileo is reputed to have said when he was forced to recant that the earth revolved around the sun, he said "And yet it moves."
They were not reporting what the trials showed. None of the trials actually confirmed 94 percent prevention of infection. In fact more people died in the group that got the vaccine than the unvaxxed group. Moreover they discounted symptoms of covid in the vaxxed group by labeling it a cold or flu without doing testing, how convenient. If you don't believe me look up the battle between Pfizer and various groups to block the raw data of their studies for over 90 years. That in itself should worry you. What they have been forced to disclose is even more worrisome and there are many who have analyzed it. You will not find it in the MSM because most news outlets are bought and paid for. They get advertising dollars from the drug companies and in Canada the legacy media has gotten huge subsidies from the Trudeau government. They know which side their bread is buttered.
If you don't believe me that deaths within 6 months of covid are classified as covid deaths, feel free to look it up. They freely admit it.
And as for you anecdote, okay he was an idiot. But so what. There are lots of idiots on the other side of the argument. I have seen parents with their kid in ICU or dead and buried due to covid complications still shilling for the vaccine saying that their tragedy should not deter you from getting the safe and effective jab.
And also don't fall for the propaganda campaign. Look at it critically. For a while, until they moved on the Ukraine war, the propagandists were churning out "repentance videos" where supposedly dying covid patients repented of not getting the vaxx and urged everyone not to repeat their mistake. Yet they were strangely well groomed and able to speak quite clearly despite supposedly drowning in their own phlegm. I have been in hospital and trust me my first thought is not to go on facebook. Nor would a cameraman be allowed into a covid ward to film this shit. It's mostly bullshit.
If you ever get a chance read a book called Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds. It's available for free on Gutenberg.org. It's an old book, written in the 1800s, but it documents all of the mass psychoses that have afflicted society from religious manias, medical manias and superstitions to financial bubbles like the tulip craze. It's old but when you see the pattern you cannot mistake what happened to us as a society. Because as someone once said, history does not repeat but it rhymes.
I thought you said "I am not going to endlessly debate you" a while ago.
You've made your opinions clear but your support for them has been feeble so far. Of the few links you have provided:
One does not say what you claim it does (the Epoch Times piece that misrepresents the findings of a journal article. Remember? Of the nine people who died of myocarditis or pericarditis eight were from the unvaccinated control group),
Another is a pre-print that has yet to be peer reviewed.
Another is supposed to show a particular vaccine isn't safe but when you follow its links the vaccine is still recommended over nothing at all.
Another deals with one patient who had a liver reaction to a vaccine but hastens to say "To our knowledge, no severe case with liver failure requiring liver transplantation was reported."
If you do in fact choose to endlessly debate please give us more than opinions.
If I got paid to save the vaxxers from themselves, this would be a very worthwhile endeavor. Unfortunately you dismiss the mass of evidence including detailed analysis of the pfizer raw data which shows it never justified the claims they made.
Or you can ignore the fact that the deaths among the vaccinated actually are over represented considering their percentage of the population.
But as someone once said in another context, you may not believe in the devil but the devil believes in you. And so you may not believe that the vaxx is poison, but it doesnt matter what you believe.
It has already planted its seed inside you and one day when you least expect it it will blossom forth as cancer, neurological disease or heart disease. You will lie to yourself and say that there is no connection between the choice you made, and that your misfortune is a matter of genetics or some totally unrelated thing. Perhaps you will live long enough to see friends and relatives also succumb to sudden disease, the unexpected crumbling of their health.
Tuchodi got suckered into an experimental injection that Pfizer claimed was safe and effective after a 4 month clinical trial in 0.00005% of the population and Tuchodi accepted the injection without any long term safety data.
Everyone here at Omega sees Tuhcodi for the gullible propagandist he is. A car mechanic. Poorly educated, and easily fooled by Pharma CEOs.
Tuchodi wrote on Omega, that he rolled the dice and got vaxed after watching CBC TV experts, and pharma CEO’s, tell him it was safe. So he submitted to experimental shot without even knowing any of the short term or long term side effects.
After he submitted, the Pfizer CEO then moved to hide the safety data for 75 years.
Imagine risking your heart to not get a cold but then getting the cold anyway.
You're going to claim it's a witch hunt, of course, You've got ten thousand medical professionals with equal and better qualifications saying "A", but you're going to go with the one saying "B".
If you did decide to look into what she's saying you would see that - in her very first note - her claim that Pfizer vaccinations should only take place in a facility "able to medically manage anaphylactic reactions" is needlessly alarmist. How do you manage anaphylactic reactions? Use an EpiPen and call an ambulance: https://foodallergycanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/Anaphylaxis-Emergency-Plan_October-2020_a.pdf. Where are vaccines administered? In clinics and pharmacies, where there is no shortage of EpiPens and phones.
You asked about percentages and I said they were unknowable. We agree there's no way of knowing what the percentage of deaths in the infected actually is.
"you are in fact confusing high infection rate with high lethality."
What makes you think that? All I said was the count is 6 million dead.
"They" were reporting what the trials showed. It wasn't a lie. The virus has mutated and the game has changed. Not sure why you and others here are so invested in certain statements from the past, as though anyone was claiming they were still relevant.
As for the much of the rest...
etc.
You are welcome to your opinions but to me they look like misinformation. I'm sure you can find lots of other people who share them and publish them. As far as I can see a vast and convincing majority of the people who actually have relevant training and experience do not share them.
It's sad that you are unaware of what I am talking about. Remember that the mainstream media is censored. Social media shuts down all dissenting voices even when they are right. This is the very reason that this site and all other .win sites exist. The fact that they marginalize information and label it "misinformation" doesnt mean it isnt true. As Galileo is reputed to have said when he was forced to recant that the earth revolved around the sun, he said "And yet it moves."
They were not reporting what the trials showed. None of the trials actually confirmed 94 percent prevention of infection. In fact more people died in the group that got the vaccine than the unvaxxed group. Moreover they discounted symptoms of covid in the vaxxed group by labeling it a cold or flu without doing testing, how convenient. If you don't believe me look up the battle between Pfizer and various groups to block the raw data of their studies for over 90 years. That in itself should worry you. What they have been forced to disclose is even more worrisome and there are many who have analyzed it. You will not find it in the MSM because most news outlets are bought and paid for. They get advertising dollars from the drug companies and in Canada the legacy media has gotten huge subsidies from the Trudeau government. They know which side their bread is buttered.
If you don't believe me that deaths within 6 months of covid are classified as covid deaths, feel free to look it up. They freely admit it.
And as for you anecdote, okay he was an idiot. But so what. There are lots of idiots on the other side of the argument. I have seen parents with their kid in ICU or dead and buried due to covid complications still shilling for the vaccine saying that their tragedy should not deter you from getting the safe and effective jab.
And also don't fall for the propaganda campaign. Look at it critically. For a while, until they moved on the Ukraine war, the propagandists were churning out "repentance videos" where supposedly dying covid patients repented of not getting the vaxx and urged everyone not to repeat their mistake. Yet they were strangely well groomed and able to speak quite clearly despite supposedly drowning in their own phlegm. I have been in hospital and trust me my first thought is not to go on facebook. Nor would a cameraman be allowed into a covid ward to film this shit. It's mostly bullshit.
If you ever get a chance read a book called Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds. It's available for free on Gutenberg.org. It's an old book, written in the 1800s, but it documents all of the mass psychoses that have afflicted society from religious manias, medical manias and superstitions to financial bubbles like the tulip craze. It's old but when you see the pattern you cannot mistake what happened to us as a society. Because as someone once said, history does not repeat but it rhymes.
I thought you said "I am not going to endlessly debate you" a while ago.
You've made your opinions clear but your support for them has been feeble so far. Of the few links you have provided:
One does not say what you claim it does (the Epoch Times piece that misrepresents the findings of a journal article. Remember? Of the nine people who died of myocarditis or pericarditis eight were from the unvaccinated control group),
Another is a pre-print that has yet to be peer reviewed.
Another is supposed to show a particular vaccine isn't safe but when you follow its links the vaccine is still recommended over nothing at all.
Another deals with one patient who had a liver reaction to a vaccine but hastens to say "To our knowledge, no severe case with liver failure requiring liver transplantation was reported."
If you do in fact choose to endlessly debate please give us more than opinions.
If I got paid to save the vaxxers from themselves, this would be a very worthwhile endeavor. Unfortunately you dismiss the mass of evidence including detailed analysis of the pfizer raw data which shows it never justified the claims they made.
https://merylnass.substack.com/p/official-documents-reveal-enormous?s=r
Or you can ignore the fact that the deaths among the vaccinated actually are over represented considering their percentage of the population.
But as someone once said in another context, you may not believe in the devil but the devil believes in you. And so you may not believe that the vaxx is poison, but it doesnt matter what you believe.
It has already planted its seed inside you and one day when you least expect it it will blossom forth as cancer, neurological disease or heart disease. You will lie to yourself and say that there is no connection between the choice you made, and that your misfortune is a matter of genetics or some totally unrelated thing. Perhaps you will live long enough to see friends and relatives also succumb to sudden disease, the unexpected crumbling of their health.
Tuchodi got suckered into an experimental injection that Pfizer claimed was safe and effective after a 4 month clinical trial in 0.00005% of the population and Tuchodi accepted the injection without any long term safety data.
Everyone here at Omega sees Tuhcodi for the gullible propagandist he is. A car mechanic. Poorly educated, and easily fooled by Pharma CEOs.
Tuchodi wrote on Omega, that he rolled the dice and got vaxed after watching CBC TV experts, and pharma CEO’s, tell him it was safe. So he submitted to experimental shot without even knowing any of the short term or long term side effects.
After he submitted, the Pfizer CEO then moved to hide the safety data for 75 years.
Imagine risking your heart to not get a cold but then getting the cold anyway.
Imagine being that dumb and gullible.
I see. You base your opinions on the opinions of other people, rather than read the research yourself.
In this case it's the opinions of someone with a suspended license to practice and who has been required to undergo a psychiatric examination. https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/96652.
You're going to claim it's a witch hunt, of course, You've got ten thousand medical professionals with equal and better qualifications saying "A", but you're going to go with the one saying "B".
If you did decide to look into what she's saying you would see that - in her very first note - her claim that Pfizer vaccinations should only take place in a facility "able to medically manage anaphylactic reactions" is needlessly alarmist. How do you manage anaphylactic reactions? Use an EpiPen and call an ambulance: https://foodallergycanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/Anaphylaxis-Emergency-Plan_October-2020_a.pdf. Where are vaccines administered? In clinics and pharmacies, where there is no shortage of EpiPens and phones.