This news article - not a journal or study report - is from Jan 8 2022 when the Omicron tsunami was just being perceived. It says "patients infected with the virus are quickly filling up hospital beds, overwhelming hospital staff and delaying elective procedures"
cars / mufflers
A better analogy would be a rusted frame. The car would have been repairable if the frame hadn't failed during the accident.
That debate is between bureaucrats and healthcare providers. It's in the States so I don't know how the financing works, but here one pays and the other spends. Hardly a debate among similar parties.
The old "blame the vicitms" argument, supported by a study from Feb 25 2021 - the dawn of the vaccines. In the years since other factors have been added to the list of comorbidities: asthma, cancer, cerebral palsy, chronic bronchitis, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), cystic fibrosis, emphysema, epilepsy, kidney disease, motor neurone disease (MND), multiple sclerosis (MS), neurofibromatosis, parkinson's disease, pneumonia, sleep apnea, ...
Then there are the people taking immunosuppressive medications after organ transplants or for conditions such as addison disease, matomyositis, graves disease, hashimoto thyroiditis, pernicious anemia, arthritis, lupus, and others.
Simply wrong. September 8, 2022 "In this cross-sectional study of US adults hospitalized with COVID-19 during January 2022 to April 2022 (during Omicron variant predominance), COVID-19-associated hospitalization rates were 10.5 times higher in unvaccinated persons and 2.5 times higher in vaccinated persons with no booster dose, respectively, compared with those who had received a booster dose." https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2796235
November 16, 2022 "Unvaccinated 12-34 year-olds in Washington are
• 2 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 12-34 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
• 4.1 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 12-34 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
Unvaccinated 35-64 year-olds are
• 1.7 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 35 - 64 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
• 3.5 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 35 - 64 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
Unvaccinated 65+ year-olds are
• 2.2 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the primary series.
• 3.3 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the primary series.
A better analogy would be a rusted frame. The car would have been repairable if the frame hadn't failed during the accident.
The fact that you actually don't get it makes your entire reasoning suspect.
But to help you: the analogy I used was correct and points to the flaw in your basic assumptions about covid, its lethality, and how many are even hospitalized because of it.
You seem enamored by vaccines, why is that?
Doesnt it bother you that these the pharmaceutical industry chronically puts profit ahead of safety?
For example it is well known that correctly prescribed and taken medications cause hundreds of thousands of deaths every year:
A more recent analysis estimates 128,000 Americans die each year as a result of taking medications as prescribed – or nearly five times the number of people killed by overdosing on prescription painkillers and heroin.
“By far the greatest number of [prescription drug-related] hospitalizations and deaths occur from drugs that are prescribed properly by physicians and taken as directed,” says Donald Light, a medical and economic sociologist and lead author of a 2013 paper that detailed the estimate, entitled “Institutional Corruption of Pharmaceuticals and the Myth of Safe and Effective Drugs.”
And:
More than 2 million Americans become seriously ill every year because of toxic reactions to correctly prescribed medicines taken properly, and 106,000 die from those reactions, a new study concludes. That surprisingly high number makes drug side effects at least the sixth, and perhaps even the fourth, most common cause of death in this country.
The analysis, the largest and most complete of its kind, suggests that one in 15 hospital patients in the United States can expect to suffer from a serious reaction to prescription or over-the-counter medicine, and about 5 percent of these will die as a result.
This is not to mention the fact that some pharmaceutical companies intentionally pushed Oxycotin knowing that they would make people addicted and turn them into life long money generators:
It also admitted paying doctors through a speakers program to induce them to write more prescriptions for its painkillers.
While other companies such as Bayer were just as murderous, intentionally selling hiv tainted blood products once they had the ability to screen for the disease, making the cynical calculus that it was cheaper to keep selling what they knew was tainted in third world countries where regulation was lax: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24785997/
When Bayer's Cutter Laboratories realized that their blood products, Factor VIII and IX or antihemophiliac factor (AHF), were contaminated with human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), the financial investment in the product was considered too high to destroy the inventory. Cutter misrepresented the results of its own research and sold the contaminated AHF to overseas markets in Asia and Latin America without the precaution of heat treating the product recommended for eliminating the risk.
And yet you are inclined to believe what Pfizer tells you. And yet you are inclined to also believe that there is not widespread corruption when there is so much money to be made.
Companies that would cynically work to get you hooked on pain killers, infected with hiv, and commit fraud and make false claims about their products are not to be trusted. Yet you seem to have a covidian faith in them. Why is that?
You can keep posting "unsupported opinion" like a glitching bot if you want, but you should examine why you are willing to be such a willing sheeple.
If your local grocer was known to kill a few hundred people a year with its food, would you keep buying there? If a used car salesman had been convicted of fraud for making misleading claims about the reliability and safety of his cars, would you put on your sucker hat and go buy a car from him because this time its different?
The fact that you actually don't get it makes your entire reasoning suspect.
So you say. A reason would be useful. A car can last with a rusty frame, and a rusty frame can often be repaired. Similarly covid can be survived. An accident can stress the rusty frame to the breaking point, totalling the vehicle. People who have covid can die of diseases that would not otherwise have killed them. Those people should be counted as covid deaths. They would be alive but for covid.
You seem enamored by vaccines, why is that?
You just skipped over all those reports and links about higher hospitalization and fatality rates for unvaccinated people, didn't you?
That USNews article contains no references to research that would support your claim about "the fourth leading cause of death among Americans". Almost every link in the article is just to another USNews article, and the two links that aren't have nothing to do with your statement. All you have is journalist Michael O. Schroeder's opinions, and who is he? Aside from someone who can't name his sources?
Fossil fuel companies, tobacco companies, sugar companies, junk food companies, lawn dart companies, ... the number is huge. Here's a list plucked from the Internet just now. 100 companies. https://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/top100.html
There are more lists out there - I expect you to examine your activities and stop trusting them all.
you are inclined to believe what Pfizer tells you
I believe I did quote a Pfizer study at one point. And studies from Johns Hopkins, Yale, Harvard, the New England Journal of Medicine, the American Medical Association, the Canadian Medical Association, McGill University, Queens University, the University of Toronto's Temerty Faculty of Medicine, and a bunch of others. They all say that the vaccines reduce the impact of the virus and this, of course, lowers the load on the healthcare system. That means your Mom has a better chance of getting her heart / cancer / osteoporosis / whatever dealt with.
You can keep posting "unsupported opinion"
Why would I spend time addressing every single point put forward without any backup from someone with no training, expertise, or experience in the field?
If your local grocer
You're equating the best science the globe has to offer with 2-bit shysters. That says something about you. The vast, vast, vast majority of the people who are best equipped to figure out this pandemic are not geared up to manufacture medicine, but they recommend the vaccines.
You are an interesting study in delusion. You don't like the fact that tens of thousands of people die each year from correctly prescribed medication and so you just dismiss it as , oh it's just an article. The concept of iatrogenic disease is well known in the medical profession and the lethality of prescription medication is a well known, but conveniently ignored, fact when they sell you their poisons. Have you seen the commercial for lamasil, to cure goddam toe fungus, and one of the side effects that the pharma company lists - in a cheerful voice narration - is liver failure and death. I bet the ones that found out the hard way about those side effects would have preferred to keep their liver and their toe fungus.
As for the number of people who die each year from correctly prescribed medication the figure comes from a study published in the Journal of the American Medical Assn. The fact that it has been popularized by articles is not only fine, but good for them for getting the news out. It does not in any way invalidate the findings.
Notably, out "of the 33 million hospitalized patients in 1994, some 2.2 million had a nonfatal reaction serious enough to require medical attention" And you want to use the overloaded hospitals argument to shill for the vaxx.
You're equating the best science the globe has to offer with 2-bit shysters. That says something about you.
Your naive faith is touching, but at the same time repulsive because it is people like you who were and will again be the willing accomplices to vaxx mandate tyranny, all from a misguided faith in these money grubbers. Remeber that these are the people who gave us thalidomide, and the people who intentionally allowed hiv tainted blood products to infect thousands with hiv at a time when there was no treatment. Time and time again they have shown that they cannot be trusted but you persist in your child like faith.
As has been pointed out by many medical ethicists and studies, the regulatory process for new drugs has been subverted. In the peer reviewed paper: "Institutional corruption of pharmaceuticals and the myth of safe and effective drugs" appearing in J Law Med Ethics 2013 Fall;41(3):590-600.
Over the past 35 years, patients have suffered from a largely hidden epidemic of side effects from drugs that usually have few offsetting benefits. The pharmaceutical industry has corrupted the practice of medicine through its influence over what drugs are developed, how they are tested, and how medical knowledge is created. Since 1906, heavy commercial influence has compromised congressional legislation to protect the public from unsafe drugs. The authorization of user fees in 1992 has turned drug companies into the FDA's prime clients, deepening the regulatory and cultural capture of the agency. Industry has demanded shorter average review times and, with less time to thoroughly review evidence, increased hospitalizations and deaths have resulted. Meeting the needs of the drug companies has taken priority over meeting the needs of patients. Unless this corruption of regulatory intent is reversed, the situation will continue to deteriorate. We offer practical suggestions including: separating the funding of clinical trials from their conduct, analysis, and publication; independent FDA leadership; full public funding for all FDA activities; measures to discourage R&D on drugs with few, if any, new clinical benefits; and the creation of a National Drug Safety Board.
All of the lack of safeguards which allow deadly prescription drugs on the market continued to exist when these vaxxes came out, except that whatever safeguards existed were swept away by the moral panic of people like you clamoring for the safety of the vaxx, for the hope and faith in a brightest brains, or so they thought. You could not think for yourself and now here you are. I bet you are a good and loyal customer of the pharma treadmill, taking a few prescriptions and a few more to counteract the side effects of the primary ones.
And yes, it does say something about me, which is that I am not gullible. You should try it sometime.
Apparently one person disagrees with Iceland's covid death count.
This news article - not a journal or study report - is from Jan 8 2022 when the Omicron tsunami was just being perceived. It says "patients infected with the virus are quickly filling up hospital beds, overwhelming hospital staff and delaying elective procedures"
A better analogy would be a rusted frame. The car would have been repairable if the frame hadn't failed during the accident.
That debate is between bureaucrats and healthcare providers. It's in the States so I don't know how the financing works, but here one pays and the other spends. Hardly a debate among similar parties.
The old "blame the vicitms" argument, supported by a study from Feb 25 2021 - the dawn of the vaccines. In the years since other factors have been added to the list of comorbidities: asthma, cancer, cerebral palsy, chronic bronchitis, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), cystic fibrosis, emphysema, epilepsy, kidney disease, motor neurone disease (MND), multiple sclerosis (MS), neurofibromatosis, parkinson's disease, pneumonia, sleep apnea, ...
Then there are the people taking immunosuppressive medications after organ transplants or for conditions such as addison disease, matomyositis, graves disease, hashimoto thyroiditis, pernicious anemia, arthritis, lupus, and others.
Simply wrong. September 8, 2022 "In this cross-sectional study of US adults hospitalized with COVID-19 during January 2022 to April 2022 (during Omicron variant predominance), COVID-19-associated hospitalization rates were 10.5 times higher in unvaccinated persons and 2.5 times higher in vaccinated persons with no booster dose, respectively, compared with those who had received a booster dose." https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2796235
November 16, 2022 "Unvaccinated 12-34 year-olds in Washington are
• 2 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 12-34 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
• 4.1 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 12-34 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
Unvaccinated 35-64 year-olds are
• 1.7 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 35 - 64 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
• 3.5 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 35 - 64 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
Unvaccinated 65+ year-olds are
• 2.2 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the primary series.
• 3.3 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the primary series.
• 3.7 times more likely to die of COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the primary series." https://doh.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2022-02/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf
Also:
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status
https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccine-effectiveness
https://www.contagionlive.com/view/covid-19-hospitalizations-broken-down-by-vaccination-status
https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/ontario-dashboard/
https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-breakthrough-data
all the way to the bottom.
The fact that you actually don't get it makes your entire reasoning suspect.
But to help you: the analogy I used was correct and points to the flaw in your basic assumptions about covid, its lethality, and how many are even hospitalized because of it.
You seem enamored by vaccines, why is that?
Doesnt it bother you that these the pharmaceutical industry chronically puts profit ahead of safety?
For example it is well known that correctly prescribed and taken medications cause hundreds of thousands of deaths every year:
In fact, taking a prescription is likely the fourth leading cause of death among Americans https://health.usnews.com/health-news/patient-advice/articles/2016-09-27/the-danger-in-taking-prescribed-medications
From the same article:
And:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/health/daily/april98/drugs041598.htm
This is not to mention the fact that some pharmaceutical companies intentionally pushed Oxycotin knowing that they would make people addicted and turn them into life long money generators:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/purdue-opioid-epidemic-guilty-1.5814318
While other companies such as Bayer were just as murderous, intentionally selling hiv tainted blood products once they had the ability to screen for the disease, making the cynical calculus that it was cheaper to keep selling what they knew was tainted in third world countries where regulation was lax: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24785997/
Pfizer, the lead vaxx manufacturer, and one with an effective campaign of stifling dissent over the vaxx, was fined 2.3 billion dollars - the largest criminal fine in US history - for PLEASE NOTE - deceptive marketing of its drug products. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history
And yet you are inclined to believe what Pfizer tells you. And yet you are inclined to also believe that there is not widespread corruption when there is so much money to be made.
Companies that would cynically work to get you hooked on pain killers, infected with hiv, and commit fraud and make false claims about their products are not to be trusted. Yet you seem to have a covidian faith in them. Why is that?
You can keep posting "unsupported opinion" like a glitching bot if you want, but you should examine why you are willing to be such a willing sheeple.
If your local grocer was known to kill a few hundred people a year with its food, would you keep buying there? If a used car salesman had been convicted of fraud for making misleading claims about the reliability and safety of his cars, would you put on your sucker hat and go buy a car from him because this time its different?
So you say. A reason would be useful. A car can last with a rusty frame, and a rusty frame can often be repaired. Similarly covid can be survived. An accident can stress the rusty frame to the breaking point, totalling the vehicle. People who have covid can die of diseases that would not otherwise have killed them. Those people should be counted as covid deaths. They would be alive but for covid.
You just skipped over all those reports and links about higher hospitalization and fatality rates for unvaccinated people, didn't you?
That USNews article contains no references to research that would support your claim about "the fourth leading cause of death among Americans". Almost every link in the article is just to another USNews article, and the two links that aren't have nothing to do with your statement. All you have is journalist Michael O. Schroeder's opinions, and who is he? Aside from someone who can't name his sources?
That article is from April 1998. Are you certain nothing has changed in almost 25 years? Something more current would be more appropriate. But all that aside everything we manufacture has killed someone, and until quite recently the average lifespan in the West has continued to increase. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=average+lifespan+in+the+first+world+over+time&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images
Fossil fuel companies, tobacco companies, sugar companies, junk food companies, lawn dart companies, ... the number is huge. Here's a list plucked from the Internet just now. 100 companies. https://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/top100.html
There are more lists out there - I expect you to examine your activities and stop trusting them all.
I believe I did quote a Pfizer study at one point. And studies from Johns Hopkins, Yale, Harvard, the New England Journal of Medicine, the American Medical Association, the Canadian Medical Association, McGill University, Queens University, the University of Toronto's Temerty Faculty of Medicine, and a bunch of others. They all say that the vaccines reduce the impact of the virus and this, of course, lowers the load on the healthcare system. That means your Mom has a better chance of getting her heart / cancer / osteoporosis / whatever dealt with.
Why would I spend time addressing every single point put forward without any backup from someone with no training, expertise, or experience in the field?
You're equating the best science the globe has to offer with 2-bit shysters. That says something about you. The vast, vast, vast majority of the people who are best equipped to figure out this pandemic are not geared up to manufacture medicine, but they recommend the vaccines.
You are an interesting study in delusion. You don't like the fact that tens of thousands of people die each year from correctly prescribed medication and so you just dismiss it as , oh it's just an article. The concept of iatrogenic disease is well known in the medical profession and the lethality of prescription medication is a well known, but conveniently ignored, fact when they sell you their poisons. Have you seen the commercial for lamasil, to cure goddam toe fungus, and one of the side effects that the pharma company lists - in a cheerful voice narration - is liver failure and death. I bet the ones that found out the hard way about those side effects would have preferred to keep their liver and their toe fungus.
As for the number of people who die each year from correctly prescribed medication the figure comes from a study published in the Journal of the American Medical Assn. The fact that it has been popularized by articles is not only fine, but good for them for getting the news out. It does not in any way invalidate the findings.
Notably, out "of the 33 million hospitalized patients in 1994, some 2.2 million had a nonfatal reaction serious enough to require medical attention" And you want to use the overloaded hospitals argument to shill for the vaxx.
Your naive faith is touching, but at the same time repulsive because it is people like you who were and will again be the willing accomplices to vaxx mandate tyranny, all from a misguided faith in these money grubbers. Remeber that these are the people who gave us thalidomide, and the people who intentionally allowed hiv tainted blood products to infect thousands with hiv at a time when there was no treatment. Time and time again they have shown that they cannot be trusted but you persist in your child like faith.
As has been pointed out by many medical ethicists and studies, the regulatory process for new drugs has been subverted. In the peer reviewed paper: "Institutional corruption of pharmaceuticals and the myth of safe and effective drugs" appearing in J Law Med Ethics 2013 Fall;41(3):590-600.
All of the lack of safeguards which allow deadly prescription drugs on the market continued to exist when these vaxxes came out, except that whatever safeguards existed were swept away by the moral panic of people like you clamoring for the safety of the vaxx, for the hope and faith in a brightest brains, or so they thought. You could not think for yourself and now here you are. I bet you are a good and loyal customer of the pharma treadmill, taking a few prescriptions and a few more to counteract the side effects of the primary ones.
And yes, it does say something about me, which is that I am not gullible. You should try it sometime.
Your unsupported personal opinions are noted.