Y'all are going to experience the biggest decline in standard of living in history. Women will die by the droves. The party of forced birth and cutting social security. Not to mention the mass deportation that's going to cost billions. Plus taxes will go up except for rich rapists and Elon.
Your delusions are making you hysterical. Get a grip. Everything you said there is wrong, degenerate, AND dumb.
Women will die by the droves.
What a fucking drama queen. Are you seriously this stupid?
Plus taxes will go up except for rich rapists and Elon.
You think he's going to raise taxes for everyone except... checks notes "rich rapists", and Elon specifically? I'm confused, do you think all rich people (except for Elon, presumably, since you were kind enough to make a distinction there) are rapists, or do you suppose Trump's going to add a provision that states one must both be rich, and a rapist, to benefit from paragraph 24 subsection 17 of the tax cuts for wealthy billionaires bill that will definitely be coming along any day now, according to you.
Make no mistake. People die when their access to healthcare is restricted, delayed, or outpriced. Abortions are healthcare, and if we can't provide them safely, or at all, people will die, or perform unsafe abortions themselves.
Why don't republicans campaign for parental leave? Baby bonuses? Free healthcare? Things that would make having a child in this day and age anything but a death sentence for someone living paycheque to paycheque who just got raped? You think they'll just break the law and do it once there's a nationwide ban? [That wasn't the case for a women who had to sit there with her insides exposed to air and bacteria who miscarried but couldn't receive attention until the doomed fetus' heart stopped. 40 hours.] (https://www.news10.com/news/national/texas-woman-died-after-waiting-40-hours-for-abortion-during-miscarriage-report/)
You referred to my other reply, where I quoted the dictionary definition of "in droves" for you, as "cope". Do you even know what the words you use mean? Rhetorical question. You clearly do not.
On the heels of a decisive Trump victory the only thing I have to cope with is your degeneracy and unbridled ignorance, but there's no way you could have meant that since you lack the self awareness.
I can't fathom how you and your ilk somehow make everything about (and, tiresomely, only about) abortion. In the feeblest attempt to support your ridiculous claim that women will "die in droves" you made dumb references out of left field to freak occurrences that have absolutely nothing to do with Trump's win, then to make your argument EVEN STUPIDER you moved the goalpost about what "in droves" even means (apparently, to you, that's any more than 1 out of the more than 150 million women in the US).
You also stated falsehoods (who said anything about a nationwide ban), deployed impenetrable communistic newspeak ("freedom is slavery! murder is healthcare!"), asked ludicrous rhetorical questions ("why don't republicans campaign on [socialism]"), made up absurd stories that suggested having a child is a "death sentence" (it's not, even in the extreme case you put forward), and included some false equivalence for good measure (your side celebrates abortion as a means to consequence free hedonism, not as "health care" to prevent a "death sentence" for someone "who just got raped").
I narrowed in on your hilarious misuse of "in droves" because I don't want to argue with you about abortion, and it's not that I couldn't see the numerous obvious flaws in your "reasoning", just as plainly as I do now, but actually it's just that I find your love of the practice too distasteful and grotesque to even want to debate you about it. I am tired of talking about it and I can't stomach another conversation about how it's "actually a good thing" when we all know what it is in reality (and speaking of "in droves", you ignorant cunt).
you don't want to debate about abortion because you know you're in the wrong about everything. It's a fact that abortion bans make more women die.
[From 2019 to 2022, the rate of maternal mortality cases in Texas rose by 56%, compared with just 11% nationwide during the same time period, according to an analysis by the Gender Equity Policy Institute. The nonprofit research group scoured publicly available reports from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and shared the analysis exclusively with NBC News.
“There’s only one explanation for this staggering difference in maternal mortality,” said Nancy L. Cohen, president of the GEPI. “All the research points to Texas’ abortion ban as the primary driver of this alarming increase.”
“Texas, I fear, is a harbinger of what’s to come in other states,” she said.
Among Hispanic women, the rate of women dying while pregnant, during childbirth or soon after increased from 14.5 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births in 2019 to 18.9 in 2022. Rates among white women nearly doubled — from 20 per 100,000 to 39.1. And Black women, who historically have higher chances of dying while pregnant, during childbirth or soon after, saw their rates go from 31.6 to 43.6 per 100,000 live births.While maternal mortality spiked overall during the pandemic, women dying while pregnant or during childbirth rose consistently in Texas following the state’s ban on abortion, according to the Gender Equity Policy Institute.
“If you deny women abortions, more women are going to be pregnant, and more women are going to be forced to carry a pregnancy to term,” Cohen said.
The researchers found that states with the higher score of abortion policy composite index had a 7% increase in total maternal mortality compared with states with lower abortion policy composite index. Among individual abortion policies, states with a licensed physician requirement had a 51% higher total maternal mortality and a 35% higher maternal mortality (i.e. a death during pregnancy or within 42 days of being pregnant), and restrictions on state Medicaid funding for abortion was associated with a 29% higher total maternal mortality.
“It is critically important that state-level policies related to women’s access to comprehensive reproductive health care services, including abortion, are evidence-based and guided by the primary goal of improving women’s health and reducing maternal mortality,”said Dovile Vilda, research assistant professor at the Department of Social, Behavioral and Population Sciences and a lead author on the study. “Our study provides evidence that decreasing the number of abortion restrictions across the states may reduce incidence of death during pregnancy and postpartum among all women in the US.”
you don't want to debate about abortion because you know you're in the wrong about everything.
Presumptuous. Outstanding of you to not only believe I'm "in the wrong about everything", but actually think I share your belief.... Which I suppose I'd be wrong about too?
“There’s only one explanation for this staggering difference in maternal mortality,” said Nancy L. Cohen
Shallow and arrogant take.
From 2019 to 2022, the rate of maternal mortality cases in Texas rose by 56%, compared with just 11% nationwide during the same time period
2019 to 2022 you say? Yeah, there couldn't possibly be other confounding variables in there, like, say, malicious agenda-driven medical malpractice that deprived unvaccinated from health care to help sell the lie. Actually I don't know if they did that in Texas but it sure was how things went down in my home province of BC.
But anyhow, it's not material to my argument, since it ignores the fact that even if it's true that the percentage of maternal deaths increase (which is truly a sad thing and I don't want this to be misinterpreted as lacking in compassion for these women), for every woman saved from an untimely death by your method (mass acceptance, enablement, and dare I say celebration of abortion) there must be untold numbers of unborn babies murdered in the womb. Have you considered the possibility that these discrepancies in healthcare outcomes could be addressed in ways other than the mass slaughter of the unborn? Or that health outcomes are improved for those who didn't get an abortion but would have were a ban not in effect? Or that in the long term, with such a ban in effect, people will adapt and change their behaviour, and that many people see these changes as changes for the better?
Our study provides evidence that decreasing the number of abortion restrictions across the states may [emphasis mine] reduce incidence of death during pregnancy and postpartum among all women in the US
Well you know what? It may not. That's an awfully tepid argument considering the abomination against life that you're trying to implement. I wonder how many lives the ban saved.
To put the numbers in perspective, I made some rough calculations using the number of live births in Texas in 2022 (around 400,000) and an upper estimate of a 0.04% maternal mortality rate (40 per 100,000). What we're left with is approximately 160 maternal deaths in Texas for the year. Round it up to 200 and that's what your entire argument is predicated on; a tenuous link between those 200 deaths (and let's say the 71 that could be considered excess deaths according to the 56% increase claim) and a ban against abortion.
Unfortunately for you, your argument ignores positive outcomes which aren't captured by changes in maternal death statistics, uses stats from a systemically volatile time period in health care, completely disregards the lives of the unborn (a sentiment we're sadly used to seeing on your side, as appalling as it is), assumed a trend where there may be none, and ultimately falls to shambles along with your hysterical claim that "women will die in droves [because of Trump]" even though we've established that his election has no bearing on any of this whatsoever.
Y'all are going to experience the biggest decline in standard of living in history. Women will die by the droves. The party of forced birth and cutting social security. Not to mention the mass deportation that's going to cost billions. Plus taxes will go up except for rich rapists and Elon.
Your delusions are making you hysterical. Get a grip. Everything you said there is wrong, degenerate, AND dumb.
What a fucking drama queen. Are you seriously this stupid?
You think he's going to raise taxes for everyone except... checks notes "rich rapists", and Elon specifically? I'm confused, do you think all rich people (except for Elon, presumably, since you were kind enough to make a distinction there) are rapists, or do you suppose Trump's going to add a provision that states one must both be rich, and a rapist, to benefit from paragraph 24 subsection 17 of the tax cuts for wealthy billionaires bill that will definitely be coming along any day now, according to you.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-abortion-bans-deaths-agonies.html
https://msmagazine.com/2024/11/04/women-die-abortion-ban-elections-vote/
This report updates a previous one that showed maternal mortality rates for 2018–2020 (2). In 2021, 1,205 women died of maternal causes in the United States compared with 861 in 2020 and 754 in 2019 (2). The maternal mortality rate for 2021 was 32.9 deaths per 100,000 live births, compared with a rate of 23.8 in 2020 and 20.1 in 2019
Make no mistake. People die when their access to healthcare is restricted, delayed, or outpriced. Abortions are healthcare, and if we can't provide them safely, or at all, people will die, or perform unsafe abortions themselves.
Why don't republicans campaign for parental leave? Baby bonuses? Free healthcare? Things that would make having a child in this day and age anything but a death sentence for someone living paycheque to paycheque who just got raped? You think they'll just break the law and do it once there's a nationwide ban? [That wasn't the case for a women who had to sit there with her insides exposed to air and bacteria who miscarried but couldn't receive attention until the doomed fetus' heart stopped. 40 hours.] (https://www.news10.com/news/national/texas-woman-died-after-waiting-40-hours-for-abortion-during-miscarriage-report/)
A Pregnant Teenager Died After Trying to Get Care in Three Visits to Texas Emergency Rooms It took three ER visits and 20 hours before a hospital admitted Nevaeh Crain, 18, as her condition worsened. Doctors insisted on two ultrasounds to confirm “fetal demise.” She’s one of at least two Texas women who died under the state’s abortion ban.
They Had Miscarriages, and New Abortion Laws Obstructed Treatment Surgical procedures and medication for miscarriages are identical to those for abortion, and some patients report delayed or denied miscarriage care because doctors and pharmacists fear running afoul of abortion bans.
Sorry my mistake. They already are dying in droves. 1 is too many.
in droves idiom
in large quantities
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/in%20droves
Lol you edited that like 10 times for such an underwhelming cope.
I had to edit it down to be simple enough for you to understand.
You referred to my other reply, where I quoted the dictionary definition of "in droves" for you, as "cope". Do you even know what the words you use mean? Rhetorical question. You clearly do not.
On the heels of a decisive Trump victory the only thing I have to cope with is your degeneracy and unbridled ignorance, but there's no way you could have meant that since you lack the self awareness.
I can't fathom how you and your ilk somehow make everything about (and, tiresomely, only about) abortion. In the feeblest attempt to support your ridiculous claim that women will "die in droves" you made dumb references out of left field to freak occurrences that have absolutely nothing to do with Trump's win, then to make your argument EVEN STUPIDER you moved the goalpost about what "in droves" even means (apparently, to you, that's any more than 1 out of the more than 150 million women in the US).
You also stated falsehoods (who said anything about a nationwide ban), deployed impenetrable communistic newspeak ("freedom is slavery! murder is healthcare!"), asked ludicrous rhetorical questions ("why don't republicans campaign on [socialism]"), made up absurd stories that suggested having a child is a "death sentence" (it's not, even in the extreme case you put forward), and included some false equivalence for good measure (your side celebrates abortion as a means to consequence free hedonism, not as "health care" to prevent a "death sentence" for someone "who just got raped").
I narrowed in on your hilarious misuse of "in droves" because I don't want to argue with you about abortion, and it's not that I couldn't see the numerous obvious flaws in your "reasoning", just as plainly as I do now, but actually it's just that I find your love of the practice too distasteful and grotesque to even want to debate you about it. I am tired of talking about it and I can't stomach another conversation about how it's "actually a good thing" when we all know what it is in reality (and speaking of "in droves", you ignorant cunt).
you don't want to debate about abortion because you know you're in the wrong about everything. It's a fact that abortion bans make more women die.
[From 2019 to 2022, the rate of maternal mortality cases in Texas rose by 56%, compared with just 11% nationwide during the same time period, according to an analysis by the Gender Equity Policy Institute. The nonprofit research group scoured publicly available reports from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and shared the analysis exclusively with NBC News.
“There’s only one explanation for this staggering difference in maternal mortality,” said Nancy L. Cohen, president of the GEPI. “All the research points to Texas’ abortion ban as the primary driver of this alarming increase.”
“Texas, I fear, is a harbinger of what’s to come in other states,” she said.
Among Hispanic women, the rate of women dying while pregnant, during childbirth or soon after increased from 14.5 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births in 2019 to 18.9 in 2022. Rates among white women nearly doubled — from 20 per 100,000 to 39.1. And Black women, who historically have higher chances of dying while pregnant, during childbirth or soon after, saw their rates go from 31.6 to 43.6 per 100,000 live births.While maternal mortality spiked overall during the pandemic, women dying while pregnant or during childbirth rose consistently in Texas following the state’s ban on abortion, according to the Gender Equity Policy Institute.
“If you deny women abortions, more women are going to be pregnant, and more women are going to be forced to carry a pregnancy to term,” Cohen said.
Beyond the immediate dangers of pregnancy and childbirth, there is growing evidence that women living in states with strict abortion laws, such as Texas, are far more likely to go without prenatal care and much less likely to find an appointment with an OB-GYN.](https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/texas-abortion-ban-deaths-pregnant-women-sb8-analysis-rcna171631) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/25/abortion-bans-healthcare-maternal-mortality https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-abortion-bans-deaths-agonies.html
https://sph.tulane.edu/study-finds-higher-maternal-mortality-rates-states-more-abortion-restrictions
The researchers found that states with the higher score of abortion policy composite index had a 7% increase in total maternal mortality compared with states with lower abortion policy composite index. Among individual abortion policies, states with a licensed physician requirement had a 51% higher total maternal mortality and a 35% higher maternal mortality (i.e. a death during pregnancy or within 42 days of being pregnant), and restrictions on state Medicaid funding for abortion was associated with a 29% higher total maternal mortality.
“It is critically important that state-level policies related to women’s access to comprehensive reproductive health care services, including abortion, are evidence-based and guided by the primary goal of improving women’s health and reducing maternal mortality,”said Dovile Vilda, research assistant professor at the Department of Social, Behavioral and Population Sciences and a lead author on the study. “Our study provides evidence that decreasing the number of abortion restrictions across the states may reduce incidence of death during pregnancy and postpartum among all women in the US.”
Presumptuous. Outstanding of you to not only believe I'm "in the wrong about everything", but actually think I share your belief.... Which I suppose I'd be wrong about too?
Shallow and arrogant take.
2019 to 2022 you say? Yeah, there couldn't possibly be other confounding variables in there, like, say, malicious agenda-driven medical malpractice that deprived unvaccinated from health care to help sell the lie. Actually I don't know if they did that in Texas but it sure was how things went down in my home province of BC.
But anyhow, it's not material to my argument, since it ignores the fact that even if it's true that the percentage of maternal deaths increase (which is truly a sad thing and I don't want this to be misinterpreted as lacking in compassion for these women), for every woman saved from an untimely death by your method (mass acceptance, enablement, and dare I say celebration of abortion) there must be untold numbers of unborn babies murdered in the womb. Have you considered the possibility that these discrepancies in healthcare outcomes could be addressed in ways other than the mass slaughter of the unborn? Or that health outcomes are improved for those who didn't get an abortion but would have were a ban not in effect? Or that in the long term, with such a ban in effect, people will adapt and change their behaviour, and that many people see these changes as changes for the better?
Well you know what? It may not. That's an awfully tepid argument considering the abomination against life that you're trying to implement. I wonder how many lives the ban saved.
To put the numbers in perspective, I made some rough calculations using the number of live births in Texas in 2022 (around 400,000) and an upper estimate of a 0.04% maternal mortality rate (40 per 100,000). What we're left with is approximately 160 maternal deaths in Texas for the year. Round it up to 200 and that's what your entire argument is predicated on; a tenuous link between those 200 deaths (and let's say the 71 that could be considered excess deaths according to the 56% increase claim) and a ban against abortion.
Unfortunately for you, your argument ignores positive outcomes which aren't captured by changes in maternal death statistics, uses stats from a systemically volatile time period in health care, completely disregards the lives of the unborn (a sentiment we're sadly used to seeing on your side, as appalling as it is), assumed a trend where there may be none, and ultimately falls to shambles along with your hysterical claim that "women will die in droves [because of Trump]" even though we've established that his election has no bearing on any of this whatsoever.
Each state decides. Not Trump. He's not doing anything. It's a non-issue as far Trump is concerned. Protest your state. You have a right to be heard.