Every week there is some news story about General so-and-so stepping aside due to investigations. The Canadian Forces Reddit seems to be cheering this shit on, and saying that all of the senior people in the military need to be replaced. Anybody on here with time in have some perspective on what the fuck is going on?
Comments (58)
sorted by:
I have no military experience. But as an outsider looking at it, I see a power structure that was designed to promote based on merit and experience, but now there is no way to get the appropriate merit and experience. So the only way to move up is by providing favours and opening ones legs.
Well, either half of the senior leadership are perverts, which is possible, or you’re witnessing a Night of Long Knives type event where all those who go against the party are removed. Admiral Norman would be a great first example. He was slated to be CDS until the liberals came to power and the shipbuilding scandal happened.
The whole force is also now being steeped in Idpol and anti Saxonism at an alarming rate. There’s shit going now where you have to ask a coworker their pronouns etc, and everything is about Black and Indigenous people. As if there aren’t Black and Native senior officers (which there are many). Further to this the government seems to be pushing the anti Anglo Saxon narrative into overdrive, and basically all who are of said group are evil for existing.
Yea I’ve met Norman. He’s a great man. The CAF has completely lost the plot. I’d honestly say that it ought to just be absorbed back into the British Armed Forces. Least they don’t put women on the front lines, and get actual funding. Not like Canadians want to pay for their own defence anyhow.
My wife works with his, met him at a party for their workplace.
Absolute great man.
God only knows man, as far as I’m concerned you can’t have a post nation state. All that will happen is it will balkanise when shit hits the fan. Look at how hard it is to get French Canadians to work together with British Canadians, and those two countries are right next to each other with similar cultures.
I think the current conflicts between Jews and Muslims in Canada are a great testament of when is to come. In the end, they have greater allegiance to their own peoples over Canada. Which of course they do. The fact anyone in this country thought everyone could just be friends and sing Kumbaya is moronic.
When it all collapses I get to be a warlord.
Do not get too down.... lots of weird things in the world going on.... Just seems to me , if you take out the good and replace with purple haired trannies, fighting against your own people isnt going to turn out to well for the gov..... More of the MEN with a certain skill set on OUR side..... this is what brings a smile to my face.... They assume everyone in CANADA is a Twitter blogger.... Just cant wait to see the look one their faces when they push the wrong set of people..... There is a silent monster just wanting to be left alone , that is starting to wake up.... and when it does People will only take the bs for so long....
True
Massive whitepill there
Just like the US. If any crazy shit goes down or there's a gun grab, the red states own like 99% of the guns at least.
What's more worrying is being the frog in the boiling pot
Nothing that doesn't happen anywhere else.
I've heard of rapes and sexual sexual harassment happening in the CAF (no organization is completely free of this) but as far as I can tell, most of these high profile cases are just instances of a senior officer having relationships with subordinates.
What people need to understand is that in the military, rank is social status. And everywhere in the world, women tend to go after men of the highest stations they can attain. Women are sexually attracted to high-status men. What that means in the military is the higher your rank, the more women in the ranks throw themselves at you. Just like anywhere else in the world.
What's changing is that now with the whole #metoo movement, men of high rank sleeping with lower ranking women is being viewed as a Harvey Weinstein scenario where before it wasn't.
I recall a few years back a General got in shit for being caught sleeping with one of his subordinates I think in Afghanistan. I remember the public sentiment at the time was "What's wrong with finding love in such a horrible place? Leave them alone!" I even got downvoted heavily in the r/Canada thread on the story for trying to explain the toxic effect of rank-disparate fraternization on the chain of command. I'm going to try and find that thread but I won't hold my breath.
That was before #metoo. Now identical scenarios are viewed as #metoo incidents. That's what's changed. There isn't some spike in sexual assault happening in the CAF. People are suddenly now being retroactively raked over the coals for sleeping with women they outranked at the time.
I agree. There is a retroactive witchhunt going on, applying today's woke standards to go after Sr pers for stuff they did 20 years ago. But those at the top supported both cancel culture and "zero tolerance" attitude. They kneeled for BLM and "encouraged" people to go to Pride parades wearing the uniform. They thought this would save them? Fools. They are reapoing what they sowed. In today's world, all you need to do is make allegations and the media and woke crow will do the rest, ruin a reputation based on allegations. It doesn't matter if the men are innocent. In one case you read an article and have to go to para 6 to find out the charge is that a man sent an email with "innuendos". The text of the email is not provided, so you can't judge by yourself. It's a fucking woke circus to distract from a rusting out CF, a corrupt government and a broken economy. It's show.
Where do you think all this is going?
Seems lile the CAF is headed towards a Commisariate style structure with "professionalism and conduct officers" and more secretive ways to rat out people for something they did decades ago. Meanwhile the canadianforces reddit is basically advocating mutiny/desertion with thinly veiled memes.
It's a pendulum. It'll swing back. Just ask anyone who was around for the last Liberal party "racism and sexism" witch-hunts in the 90's.
It will continue to get worse as long as the Liberals are in power though. Their last reign was particularly hard on the military. They used the witch hunts to turn the public against the military thereby manufacturing public consent for gutting the military's budget. They called it the "decade of darkness".
Also keep in mind, the Liberals hate the military. This goes back at least as far Trudeau senior. They see the military as a concentration of patriotic conservative white males with guns. They're the Liberal's natural enemy.
Throw in the fact that the forces stopped being a meritocracy a long, long, time ago and that most members are intensely dissatisfied with an increasingly out of touch senior leadership that's interested more in it's own advancement than the welfare of the troops and its no wonder the rank and file are cheering when senior officers get taken to town.
If we're going back 20 or 30 years to look for faults, there's a few senior leadership types I'd like to see brought to justice for causing deaths and injuries that were swept under the rug, but that's not gonna happen because "sex" is not in title of the offense.
Yup. I remember the days when it was a big deal to find out which coroiprals got selected for leadership training that year. It was highly competitive. Now they just hand it out like candy. I've also taught on leadership courses that had explicit "no-fail" policies. We were told that if a candidate failed a hard-assessed task, it was our fault as as instructors for "not mentoring them adequately". Why have tests at all if people can't fail them? They basically just removed all quality control from the leadership selection & training system. That was the moment I realized it was a sinking ship.
They will smear anyone who goes against the grain will allegations of sexual harassments, misconduct or whatever they choose to pull from the hat. Why? Because humans have a moral compass, we know right from wrong. If you don't sell out to China or the globalists, you're gone. If you don't go with the doctrine of "diversification" in the military, you're gone. Once they enforce martial law and try to force unvaccinated citizens to the Gulag and if you don't go along, you're gone. What's the end goal? To make the military combat ineffective by recruiting weak, non-combat ready effeminate men, transsexuals (which have the highest suicide rate amongst any demographic), and women. So if humans are susceptible to disobeying orders, due to the orders being unjust or immoral, what is the solution? Robots. They want to replace humans with robots. Robots comply. Robots will always follow orders. It's about phasing out good, patriotic, Canadian loving service members who won't sell our country out as well as setting us up for the next phase of their digitized robo-army.
Side note: a good juxtaposition about the issue of the diversification of the military is to look at the campaign ads for the Canadian/American militaries compared to those of China and Russia which exemplify masculinity and battle ready war-fighting men)
I remember back in the day people always touted how we had the best snipers in the world, now our army is probably going to dwindle down into a LGBTQ, General Xiao and Sargent Jag meet
No idea what's happen but in the US we had a commander relieved of his duties for speaking up against Marxism yesterday. Obviously the same person is calling the shots in both countries.
Their top guy signaled a pause and was purging the military of whitte supremacists, etc etc. You know what this means; the last institution that wasn't far left is now being converted. The LCol losing his appointment is a message.
Turn public opinion against the military to justify more budget cuts. Or pumping money into “sensitivity training” so they can hire more Gender Studies grads instead of buying actual weapons.
Everything the Liberals do is about pussifying Canada more and more.
MGen Fortin was removed after allegedly exposing himself to another military member... 32 years ago in college. WTF? https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/maj-gen-dany-fortin-facing-historical-sexual-misconduct-allegation-ctv-news-sources-1.5430554
Digging up something relatively minor from 32 years ago and using it against someone... this is revenge and/or political purges to take the spotlight away from Trudeau and Sajjan.
If you haven't served you might mistakenly assume it's a place to build you into a disciplined, patriotic, capable man.
The CAF Reddit is laughably pozzed
Yeah, I would not use that garbage fire as a barometer of anything.
As for all the recent "sexual harassment" stuff, I'll say this: I retired from the CAF as a senior officer. I am tall, handsome, and charismatic. Over the years I had female subordinates give me overtures with some frequency; I never took advantage of it but I can see how it happens. You're talking about a job that is stressful, emphasizes physical fitness and machismo, of course men and women are going to get together.
Have you had any experience with the American military and their culture/laws about fraternization?
It seems like part of this “culture problem” is Canada/CAF’s own design. On the one hand we say that whatever happens in the bedroom between two consenting adults is nobody’s business and we turn a blind eye when people of vastly different ranks have relationships... but then inevitably we have members (typically women...) who just do not take any responsibility for their actions and claim that they were subtly coerced because of power dynamics or whatever excuse. What do we do about that? The “everybody is an adult” approach apparently isn’t working. Do we just make relationships in the CAF illegal?
I remember a few of my friends getting into a room in the shacks to get a female out of there. She was drunk and was about to have sex with a subordinate.
I was active n the old metacanada circa 2013 or so when the sub was about laughing at all of the patently ridiculous things that got upvoted on /r/Canada. I’ve been lurking here for a while. /r/Canada never changed but the Canadian Forces sub has become a dumpster fire over the past 5 years so I wanted to know if there were any opinions here.
Definitely seems lile it. Especially with Fortin's case. Makes me want to read more into soviet history.
Our military seems to be too busy hating itself and being overweight to effectively enforce a dictatorship.