Most of current cases of covid in Canada (at least the ones in ICU) are patients that were vaccinated. It's not a secret at all and if you know an health care professional she will tell you.
I found the audio confusing, so I listened to it multiple times and transcribed it:
More than half the people to die with the delta variant have not been vaccinated at all, nearly 2/3rds of those infected with it have not been vaccinated.
Hang on, that makes no sense. Let me just bring you up to date with the figures.
Uh - 2/3 were unvaccinated, 23% actually in terms of the statistics. There have been 42 deaths in England, people confirmed with the delta variant who died within 28 days of a positive test. of those, 23 were unvaccinated, 7 had had the first dose more than 21 days before, 12 had had their second dose more than 14 days before.
So it's a small number of deaths, but of those ah.. a large proportion had - as we're saying had been double-vaccinated - half of them.
So let's talk more about the statistics. I spoke to our head of statistics...
My numeric summary of her final statements follows:
23 unvaccinated deaths (~55%)
7 1st dose vaccinated more than 21 days before (~17%)
12 2 doses vaccinated more than 14 days before (~28 %)
Total deaths with full or partial vaccination: ~45%
Looking closely at the wording - people who had been vaccinated but not 21 or 14 days before and had died might be included in that 55% as well.
In short - it's possible that the total figure of all people who had had the delta variant AND were vaccinated might be even higher - assuming that the announcer's statistics were correct in the first place.
I saw a table earlier today showing deaths. There were 0 deaths in the "less than 14 days after vaccination" subset.
Interestingly the table showed the ratio of cases to deaths was much better in the unvaxxed group than the vaxxed group. ie the virus is hitting the vaxxed much harder.
I can’t decipher what she is trying to say. This is very confusing. But if the vaccine isn’t working against the Indian variant, or is leading to worse outcomes to those vaccinated, it will only be a matter of weeks before lockdowns return. Good grief. I’m glad I left.
I'm not sure where the confusion is coming from. From the video clip & transcript:
There have been 42 deaths in England, people confirmed with the delta variant who died within 28 days of a positive test. of those, 23 were unvaccinated.
That seems pretty straight forward. Forty two people who tested positive for the delta variant died within 28 days. Twenty three of them had not been vaccinated. So, (23/42)*100 = 55% of those 42 dead victims were unvaccinated.
So far so good, but then we have a comment:
Looking closely at the wording - people who had been vaccinated but not 21 or 14 days before and had died might be included in that 55% as well.
I'm not following that. It says the 23 dead - the 55% - were not vaccinated. How is it possible to include "people who had been vaccinated" in the group that had not been vaccinated?
Did BBC just say that 50% of the people that died were vaccinated?
But, but!????
‘95% efficacy’, right!?
They didn't give a figure for the vaccinated people who recovered, so there is no connection between the "50% of the people who died" scenario and the efficacy of the vaccines. Below are some figures from a few months ago.
Most of current cases of covid in Canada (at least the ones in ICU) are patients that were vaccinated. It's not a secret at all and if you know an health care professional she will tell you.
I found the audio confusing, so I listened to it multiple times and transcribed it:
More than half the people to die with the delta variant have not been vaccinated at all, nearly 2/3rds of those infected with it have not been vaccinated.
Hang on, that makes no sense. Let me just bring you up to date with the figures.
Uh - 2/3 were unvaccinated, 23% actually in terms of the statistics. There have been 42 deaths in England, people confirmed with the delta variant who died within 28 days of a positive test. of those, 23 were unvaccinated, 7 had had the first dose more than 21 days before, 12 had had their second dose more than 14 days before.
So it's a small number of deaths, but of those ah.. a large proportion had - as we're saying had been double-vaccinated - half of them.
So let's talk more about the statistics. I spoke to our head of statistics...
My numeric summary of her final statements follows: 23 unvaccinated deaths (~55%) 7 1st dose vaccinated more than 21 days before (~17%) 12 2 doses vaccinated more than 14 days before (~28 %)
Total deaths with full or partial vaccination: ~45%
Looking closely at the wording - people who had been vaccinated but not 21 or 14 days before and had died might be included in that 55% as well.
In short - it's possible that the total figure of all people who had had the delta variant AND were vaccinated might be even higher - assuming that the announcer's statistics were correct in the first place.
Thank you for this.
I saw a table earlier today showing deaths. There were 0 deaths in the "less than 14 days after vaccination" subset.
Interestingly the table showed the ratio of cases to deaths was much better in the unvaxxed group than the vaxxed group. ie the virus is hitting the vaxxed much harder.
I can’t decipher what she is trying to say. This is very confusing. But if the vaccine isn’t working against the Indian variant, or is leading to worse outcomes to those vaccinated, it will only be a matter of weeks before lockdowns return. Good grief. I’m glad I left.
Bingo
I'm not sure where the confusion is coming from. From the video clip & transcript:
That seems pretty straight forward. Forty two people who tested positive for the delta variant died within 28 days. Twenty three of them had not been vaccinated. So, (23/42)*100 = 55% of those 42 dead victims were unvaccinated.
So far so good, but then we have a comment:
I'm not following that. It says the 23 dead - the 55% - were not vaccinated. How is it possible to include "people who had been vaccinated" in the group that had not been vaccinated?
They didn't give a figure for the vaccinated people who recovered, so there is no connection between the "50% of the people who died" scenario and the efficacy of the vaccines. Below are some figures from a few months ago.
https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/covid-wwksf/2021/04/wwksf-vaccine-effectiveness.pdf?la=en