Derek Sloan brought up Bill C-36 again today.
If you thought Bill C-10 was bad, you'd better get in touch with 36.
Trudeau’s C-36 allows secret complaints against you — so you will never know who accused you of being a “hater", and you’ll never be allowed to cross-examine them.
In fact, C-36 allows lobby groups or professional activists to make secret complaints against you. And if you’re convicted, you could be ordered to pay up to $20,000 to those secret accusers — plus another $50,000 to the government, just for an offensive tweet or Facebook post.
But that’s not even the worst of it.
I’ve never seen this before. Under C-36, anyone can drag you to a provincial court, and tell the judge he’s “afraid” of you, and get a court order to:
put you under house arrest
put you under a curfew
ban you from attending any place (including your business)
ban you from communicating with any person (including your friends, family, employees or political allies)
ban you from owning any firearm
ban you from drinking wine, beer or other alcohol; and
order you to give blood, urine and DNA samples on command.
Just to be clear, all of this is just based on someone having a “fear” that you’re “biased” or “hateful”. You don’t have to actually commit a crime or be charged with a crime to be hit with those restrictions.
The new legal test is whether or not someone is scared of you committing “hate".
This is contrary to the important Canadian legal concept of being innocent until proven guilty. This is a “pre-crime” — convicting you of something you haven’t done yet, just because your political enemy is “afraid” of you.
Trudeau’s bill says all these things can be done to you even if you’ve never committed a crime in your life.
And note: this only applies to political crimes; not to would-be murderers or rapists. Just would-be “haters”.
C-36 is the worst censorship law in the free world. In fact, any country that would pass such a law can no longer call itself a free country.
Does anyone not think that the ADL and the SPLC won't have teams of people going through posts? Hell, I'm convinced they'll likely be the ones hired to sift through all of the complaints.
This is the end of a free and open internet as we know it.... No dissidents allowed.
Every time you drop an n-bomb or hitler praise on the internet, you give these people the substantiation they need to manufacture public support for this.
It would be way better if we could say "LOL what racism?" in response to this shit. But unfortunately some of you are bent on giving the left everything they want on a silver platter.
Edit: In this thread - People who can't understand why it's a bad idea to wave tiki torches at their political rallies now trying to lecture others on why it's a great policy to give the Liberals exactly the kind of ammo they need to collect public consent to shut down all political opposition forever.
It's getting harder and harder to believe you guys aren't just Liberal astroturfers.
One of your core assumptions is wrong. That if we were all good, such posts would stop. There ARE professional government funded trolls in multiple countries that post on the internet for social engineering purposes. To bait crazies, but also to help engineer Problem Reaction Solution projects. This is not a myth, it is documented and admitted by several countries.
When I raised with my friends, the analogy that Canadians had Beaten Wife syndrome - "if I'm really good and subservient today maybe he won't beat me tonight" ... they thought it was the most correct analogy about Canadians they ever heard.
Edit: I realize you actually did articulate my point. Liberal astroturfers. The internet version of people that spray their own hate crime swastikas. They won't go away, there will be enough of them, professional and otherwise. That should make the point that resistance against the censorship is imperative regardless of what shit runs out of people's mouths!
Yeah something is up with this guy no one mentions race in here and wham, also you’d think they know better as most of the time people trying
to do the race thing have been leftist posing as us or in fact government agents … they can make up what they want and pose it as us
To me? Nothing. It's you guys who went off the reservation and followed Bernier to crazytown. Unfortunately, you chased off all of the sane people long ago leaving pretty much just me. And to all of you crazies, l now look like the crazy one. Except my position has never changed.
Nothing was said in this thread that warranted your response.
This subject is an ongoing problem with the userbase here, most of whom can't get it through their thick skulls why it's bad idea engage in the kind of behaviour I described. Just look at all the meltdown in this thread alone in response to me telling people it's a bad idea to drop n-bombs and praise hitler.
Funny thing is I’m black I could of easily pulled that card as soon as he said that lol, I’ve honestly not seen once racist person on here that I’m aware of but even talking about that stuff is dumb it makes this place feel like Reddit
Apeasment doesn't work Ham. They're not trying to stamp out racism. They're trying to stamp out dissidents and counter-revolutionaries. And that includes you.
Is that what we're going to do ... sign one petition after another while they pass these things in the middle of the night anyway?
Fuck their rule altogether. Organize. Route around their censorship. At least until the final Great War.
Derek Sloan brought up Bill C-36 again today. If you thought Bill C-10 was bad, you'd better get in touch with 36.
Trudeau’s C-36 allows secret complaints against you — so you will never know who accused you of being a “hater", and you’ll never be allowed to cross-examine them.
In fact, C-36 allows lobby groups or professional activists to make secret complaints against you. And if you’re convicted, you could be ordered to pay up to $20,000 to those secret accusers — plus another $50,000 to the government, just for an offensive tweet or Facebook post.
But that’s not even the worst of it.
I’ve never seen this before. Under C-36, anyone can drag you to a provincial court, and tell the judge he’s “afraid” of you, and get a court order to:
put you under house arrest
put you under a curfew
ban you from attending any place (including your business)
ban you from communicating with any person (including your friends, family, employees or political allies)
ban you from owning any firearm
ban you from drinking wine, beer or other alcohol; and
order you to give blood, urine and DNA samples on command. Just to be clear, all of this is just based on someone having a “fear” that you’re “biased” or “hateful”. You don’t have to actually commit a crime or be charged with a crime to be hit with those restrictions.
The new legal test is whether or not someone is scared of you committing “hate".
This is contrary to the important Canadian legal concept of being innocent until proven guilty. This is a “pre-crime” — convicting you of something you haven’t done yet, just because your political enemy is “afraid” of you.
Trudeau’s bill says all these things can be done to you even if you’ve never committed a crime in your life.
And note: this only applies to political crimes; not to would-be murderers or rapists. Just would-be “haters”.
C-36 is the worst censorship law in the free world. In fact, any country that would pass such a law can no longer call itself a free country.
Great point about the lobby groups.
Does anyone not think that the ADL and the SPLC won't have teams of people going through posts? Hell, I'm convinced they'll likely be the ones hired to sift through all of the complaints.
This is the end of a free and open internet as we know it.... No dissidents allowed.
I don't believe in censorship
See?
Every time you drop an n-bomb or hitler praise on the internet, you give these people the substantiation they need to manufacture public support for this.
It would be way better if we could say "LOL what racism?" in response to this shit. But unfortunately some of you are bent on giving the left everything they want on a silver platter.
Edit: In this thread - People who can't understand why it's a bad idea to wave tiki torches at their political rallies now trying to lecture others on why it's a great policy to give the Liberals exactly the kind of ammo they need to collect public consent to shut down all political opposition forever.
It's getting harder and harder to believe you guys aren't just Liberal astroturfers.
One of your core assumptions is wrong. That if we were all good, such posts would stop. There ARE professional government funded trolls in multiple countries that post on the internet for social engineering purposes. To bait crazies, but also to help engineer Problem Reaction Solution projects. This is not a myth, it is documented and admitted by several countries.
When I raised with my friends, the analogy that Canadians had Beaten Wife syndrome - "if I'm really good and subservient today maybe he won't beat me tonight" ... they thought it was the most correct analogy about Canadians they ever heard.
Edit: I realize you actually did articulate my point. Liberal astroturfers. The internet version of people that spray their own hate crime swastikas. They won't go away, there will be enough of them, professional and otherwise. That should make the point that resistance against the censorship is imperative regardless of what shit runs out of people's mouths!
You seemed alright for a long time and now you act like a retard constantly?
What happened?
Nothing was said in this thread that warranted your response. You just attacked people in this thread for no reason.
You clearly see this place as your little kingdom. Maybe take a fucking break fella.
Yeah something is up with this guy no one mentions race in here and wham, also you’d think they know better as most of the time people trying
to do the race thing have been leftist posing as us or in fact government agents … they can make up what they want and pose it as us
Oh fuck off. It's always the same excuse with you fucking people. At least have the balls to own it.
To me? Nothing. It's you guys who went off the reservation and followed Bernier to crazytown. Unfortunately, you chased off all of the sane people long ago leaving pretty much just me. And to all of you crazies, l now look like the crazy one. Except my position has never changed.
This subject is an ongoing problem with the userbase here, most of whom can't get it through their thick skulls why it's bad idea engage in the kind of behaviour I described. Just look at all the meltdown in this thread alone in response to me telling people it's a bad idea to drop n-bombs and praise hitler.
ok but you got downvoted so clearly youre wrong
have you applied to moderate /r/canada yet? those pansies are much more your speed.
Funny thing is I’m black I could of easily pulled that card as soon as he said that lol, I’ve honestly not seen once racist person on here that I’m aware of but even talking about that stuff is dumb it makes this place feel like Reddit
Apeasment doesn't work Ham. They're not trying to stamp out racism. They're trying to stamp out dissidents and counter-revolutionaries. And that includes you.
What are you talking about, Ham? N-bombs aren’t dropped here, as a matter of fact, they’re auto-bot deleted.
Take your shilling elsewhere, commie scum.