Reconciliation at work: four Catholic churches burned to ground in BC near reserves
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Shame, that was where the Catholic Church kept all of the residential school death records.
No connection whatsoever of course. Complete coincidence, nothing to see here folks. cough muh Indian mass graves x100 of the Unts’ItCHee’balls’ac nation
It won't, and they won't
This forum believes the mass graves is a FF of sorts, but then also believe these arson attacks are the result of natives.
After centuries of paternalism the Catholic Church gets a tap on the bugle - bring out the pitchforks and torches!
I didn't check, but I assume there was equal outrage expressed here when the lobster pounds at Middle West Pubnico were burnt.
Most of the deaths were due to disease. It's not the Europeans' fault that the people in pre-Columbian North America didn't have chickens and other farm animals.
Are you thinking of the diseases brought by Europeans that wiped out 90% of the indigenous populations?
That's different from the deaths at the residential schools, which were largely the result of poor nutrition and healthcare.
Yes, I am speaking about the cumulative effect of two population groups mixing.
This would have been inevitable regardless of which civilization would have colonized North America first.
Of course, people are not explained this in detail, and the obfuscation is purposeful and meant to imply that it was done with mens rea, which it was not.
No doubt. But in this particular case, as explained in my other comment, unlike many if not most mixing of cultures the First Nations of Canada have the law on their side, and Canada claims to be a nation of "Peace, Order, and Good Government", so the issues are very much alive.
No superior technology in this case. Just the kidnapping and abuse of children.
Every single child? No.
Thousands of children? Yes.
The flaw in this argument is that there existed some sort of timeless 'utopian standard' where children are given the care and attention they we expect today.
One does not need to look back very far in history in any organized society to reveal countless incidents and tragedies regarding children that we would find abhorrent today.
I will paraphrase Thomas Sowell and ask "Compared to what?"
What would have been the state of Indigenous children had the Chinese or Ottomans settled Canada instead?
The values we hold today including the standard by which we protect minors emanates from the very same Western culture that is apparently "evil, racist and abusive toward children."
Therefore it is a logical fallacy to point back to a time when the standards were lower and say "This could have been done better" when those processes were necessary to advance our society to where it is today.
It's like criticizing the Wright brothers for building a plane in 1903 that could only fly a short distance because in 2021 we have high speed passenger aircraft.
Never mind today. Those children weren't treated properly by the standards of the times. Poor nutrition and healthcare were not as prevalent in the settler communities, nor were punishment for speaking your language, and separation from your family - even your siblings in the same building,
Hypothetical questions about Chinese and Ottomans are not relevant.
In the areas where treaties were signed the First Nations were generally promised that their way of life would not be extinguished. There was nothing in them about residential schools.
In areas where no treaties were signed Aboriginal Title is recognized - in Canada, at least - and there was no justification at all for taking the children.
The rights of the First Nations have been recognized in law - but largely ignored - since 1763 and through treaties - also largely ignored - after that. There is no legal way to ignore those rights, as so many seem to wish to do. The Truth and Reconciliation Commission outlined a process for addressing these issues outside of the courts, but the courts remain an option.
A former government medical man, Peter Henderson Bryce, tried to get the government to address the problem a hundred years ago. You can read his book "The Story of a National Crime" online: http://caid.ca/AppJusIndCan1922.pdf
There were many settler children who died from starvation and disease. Until the invention of antibiotics, mortality was much higher across the board. The concept of accessible 'healthcare' as we understand it wouldn't even begin until the time of Tommy Douglas.
Furthermore, French language rights were a source of conflict not just in Quebec, but in Manitoba and elsewhere.
Finally, it doesn't take a genius to realize that the outrage over these events is largely manufactured by media for political purposes.
An honest assessment would start with facts and investigation and end with a conclusion. In this case, the outrage precedes all of it and its not by coincidence that it is happening now.
I noticed you didn't address my points about Western Civilization being responsible for the high standards we have today. I suppose since you dislike it so much, perhaps its time to emigrate to China or North Korea?
Yes. Judging past ages with today's standards is foolish. Life was brutal in the 1800s. Corporal punishment was considered necessary in schools. Death and hunger were present daily. Even later, thousands of whites starved during the great depression. I'll bet the dirty thirty was the worst time to be in a RS because if all kids are hungry, why would RS students be the exception?
Again, yes. Why does do people listen to this nonsense? It only causes anger and racial hatred. Why does the media and left want that? So they can 'save' us when things get really bad? The USA had a much bigger RS system, but hardly a peep over there.
Ah yes, the old "love it or leave it, my country right or wrong, it's perfect as it is, not my problem" buffoonery.
Good idea. Got any? So far it's just your opinions. Get a copy of Thomas Berger's "One Man's Justice" and read the chapters on the First Nations cases he took to the Supreme Court of Canada. There's good background there.
As Daniel Patrick Moynihan said: 'You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.'
They (the facts) are available. I would encourage anyone following this discussion to start with Dr. Bryce's pamphlet. It's only 24 pages.
http://caid.ca/AppJusIndCan1922.pdf.
After that, maybe watch some videos. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=residential+school+stories
Some of us are able to see these things for what they truly are - excuses to gaslight and cause destruction.
Politicians are not sincere about 'reconciliation' - they politicize for personal gain.
Same goes for the FN leaders and advocacy groups. They realize that this can be exploited for increased financial support.
Finally we have the taxpayer who will bear this burden. The blood is not on their hands yet they will pay the price.
We cannot revive the dead nor can we put the dead on trial. Therefore the 'reconciliation' is simply a dollar amount.
What's the magic number for restitution? The answer is infinity because it will never be enough.
One can only dine on the corpse of Western Civilization for so long. Flawed as they were, the world we enjoy now was built by stronger and wiser people than the 'leaders' we have today.
"As Daniel Patrick Moynihan said: 'You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.'"
Strange, since that is EXACTLY what natives are doing to this narrative. Anything to make a buck, they will do. Whine, tapdance around reality, anything. Right now, THEIR "truth" is the only one allowed. NO one else can point out facts without being called Racist. It should run both ways, but it clearly doesn't, and they'll fight tooth and nail to keep it that way.
Now the Vatican is nothing more than a cabal of lunatics.
I don't think you're suggesting the church should get a free pass on this.
Laws were broken. Children died through neglect and sometimes abuse. Hard to sweep that under the rug. Not very Christian, y'know?
I love these deeply intellectual discussions. Do carry on....
Not sure how to respond to that. By that logic: it was a small number of people who burned the church, so the whole bunch shouldn't be blamed for the crime. That's not happening: this whole thread started with a broadside against the whole culture.
The buck stops at the top. Look at the stuff the top politicians get blamed for.
5000 years behind, hadn’t even developed the wheel when the Euros and Scandinavians arrived.
If they want the land back? It can be done in theory. On the way out, reset all claimed lands back to the way it was circa 1600. Only fair, give them raw land so they can develop it how they want.
Also remove all mechanised industry, electricity, gas, oh and horses too. Gotta make it genuine. See ya! Good luck!
Wheel? They hadn't even discovered Bronze or Tin yet!
Wait, they didn’t have a form of written language?
Yep. 'Hate crime' means hating the politically correct not whites or Catholics. 'Employment Equity' mean hiring quotas against white males even when they are under-represented. Newspeak.
We will likely nuke our own planet, but I get the allegory.
Fags took it over, but the rainbow is God's sign to humanity that he would no longer destroy it with a flood. Now fire and brimstone on the other hand...
Bite the hand that feeds them?
But you're happy to live with all the benefits of the broken treaties. The proceeds of crime. Just sayin'.