I think it is ultimately a good thing for our cause that the government is pushing everyone into a vaccine with such high risk. In retrospect, people will realize that a lot of deaths were caused by it and that they were lied to, and it will bring down the trust people have in the government. There are also potentially long term effects that haven't been figured out yet, so we'll be the last ones laughing.
I've seen before that it's explained by the fact that in a family, it's advantageous to have men that can take the role of the dad if he were to die. The uncle still has his gene selected when his nephew survives by his care once the dad dies from a tiger attack. He would not be able to do it if he lead his own tribe and had kids.
Mutations will survive because they a) Become less virulent b) become more transmissible c) become more resistant to countermeasures
Only with c) would the pathogen be likely to be more virulent.
This matches what we’ve seen with the oh-so-scary “delta variant”. If the virus does mutate to become deadlier it will almost certainly derive from the vaccinated.
"Canada cracks down on doctors who exaggerate risks of COVID-19 vaccines"
There. Fixed that for you.
If your mind is absolutely made up on the subject and you refuse to listen to any other points of view don't waste your time by reading further. If you are actually curious about the risks associated with the vaccines I suggest you compare the percentage of serious adverse effects - not just I felt crappy for a day or two - with the risks associated with taking the virus on board.
Do your own research.
Edit: This is OmegaCanada. Why are we posting opinion pieces from American conspiracy theorists? Don't we have enough of our own?
You’re referring to medical experts as conspiracy theorists.
From the article: "Francis Christian, a clinical professor of surgery"
No training / background / expertise in infectious diseases, virology, or public health. Hardly an expert. It's like getting your football strategy from a tennis pro.
Also:
You’re referring to medical experts as conspiracy theorists.
It was the the Saskatchewan Health Authority calling him a conspiracy theorist, not me.
The conspiracy theorist I was referring to is John F. Solomon, "Managing Member" of the Bentley Media Group LLC, which published the anonymous article that started this discussion. Bentley Media Group LLC is "primarily [an] Advertising Agencies business / industry" with 2 employees. (https://www.buzzfile.com/business/Bentley-Media-Group-LLC-202-236-5606}
It is in the business of getting ads on peoples' screens and if that means serving up bullshit to people scared by a global pandemic then that's fine with Mr. Solomon. It's not about providing information for him, it's about selling ads.
The inventor of the mRNA tech himself has been cancelled.
The self-styled inventor. Funny that stories about the development of mRNA technology .don't say anything about him. Except, of course, the ones he tells. I know, I know - you think that's a real conspiracy.
Why are the pro-experimentalvaxxers so intent on stifling open debate?
Because they understand viruses and virus mutations. Imagine you're in a car with a bunch of people trying to outrun a forest fire. There's fire all around, cinders raining down, you don't know if the road is even open ahead of you, and there's this guy in the back seat saying "We have to go back. I think I left the tap on in the sink." He wants to have an open debate.
That's the question, isn't it? We don't know for sure, and waiting to run all the trials and crunch all the numbers means watching even more people die.
A new-to-us virus makes the leap from animals to humans and turns out to be pretty transmissible and capable of killing part of the population it infects. And it mutates.
We don't know how bad the outcome will be, and this fear of the unknown drives some people to believing that millions of people are either deliberately trying to kill them, or too stupid to know they're part of the plot.
I’m not married to my opinions I have an open mind and have been intently researching this for 1.5 years now. My impressions have shifted dramatically over that time.
It’s a convenient refrain to dismiss out of hand the opinion of another as a “conspiracy theorist”. The ironic thing is that it weakens your stance. We all know conspiracies do exist. However I’m not suggesting I believe there is a ploy by millions of people as you mentioned to eradicate the population, I think the chances of that are quite low. There is however abundant data that calls virtually every aspect of official covid narrative into question, and leaves me with plenty of concern.
I’d be happy to expand into great detail with sources if you want to really dig in.
“From the article: "Francis Christian, a clinical professor of surgery"
No training / background / expertise in infectious diseases, virology, or public health. Hardly an expert. It's like getting your football strategy from a tennis pro.”
This situation with Dr Christian doesn’t match your analogy. His is at the apex of medical expertise, fired due to advocating for informed consent. You don’t need to be a virologist or epidemiologist to understand fundamental medical ethics. Informed Consent isn’t optional. He is legally represented by the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms, and it will be interesting to see the outcome of the various proceedings that are now to ensue. I searched for your article to no avail, but here’s the other side: https://www.jccf.ca/surgeon-fired-by-college-of-medicine-for-voicing-safety-concerns-about-covid-shots-for-children/
“The self-styled inventor. Funny that stories about the development of mRNA technology .don't say anything about him. Except, of course, the ones he tells. I know, I know - you think that's a real conspiracy.”
This is totally false information and anything but funny. Dr. Robert Malone discovered RNA transfection and invented mRNA vaccines, he wrote the patent disclosure, this is undeniable. He no longer appears in Wikipedia since recommending against vaccinating young people and advocating for informed consent. LinkedIn deleted him then reinstated him. Big tech censorship.
You state that Covid jumped from animals to humans as fact. Research on this should have left any reasonable person with profound doubt of that narrative over a year ago. However until Dr Fauci admitted it was likely a month ago Governments/Google/YouTube/Facebook/Twitter/Reddit/Wikipedia all coordinated to cancel anyone who even suggested the possibility that it came from the level 4 lab now confirmed to have been conducting gain of function research, at the origin of the outbreak.
The government hasn’t followed the science on masks, therapeutics or lockdowns. They dialed up up PCR cycles, don’t mention the roles vitamin D or obesity play. Their coordinated campaign of silencing dissenting voices is profoundly unscientific, and undemocratic. They still haven’t even provided evidence showing the costs of their various measures against the benefits of them. This is a requirement to suspend our rights under the constitution. They have implemented a campaign of coercion to force the vaccine upon people, while it is in ongoing clinical trial.
Covid isn’t dangerous to most people, certainly not children. The average age of mortality is over 80, in line with life expectancy. How many 80 year olds lives does it take to equal one 12 year olds life. You’re not going to like my opinion, I think the child is worth more than all of them.
It’s a convenient refrain to dismiss out of hand the opinion of another as a “conspiracy theorist”.
For the record: the conspiracy theorist I was referring to is John Solomon, the man whose advertising agency published the article referenced in the original post. You can read about him online and make up your own mind:
The informed consent argument is interesting in an academic way. It's like standing outside a burning building discussing the merits of the various fire hoses instead of hooking them up. No doubt there will be some movement on the question at some point in the future but meanwhile there's a global pandemic going on.
And still on informed consent: medical credentials don't lend particular weight to your opinion on informed consent. It's more a question of philosophy.
Dr. Malone authored an important paper over 30 years ago. Last month "Malone clarified that he was not discouraging the use of the vaccine but was providing people with as much fair information as he could about their risks." (https://news.yahoo.com/single-most-qualified-mrna-expert-173600060.html)
Concerning those risks: 3.4 billion vaccine shots have been administered. Tens of millions of fatalities would have to be reported before the danger from the vaccine would be remotely comparable to the danger from the virus.
You state that Covid jumped from animals to humans as fact. Research on this should have left any reasonable person with profound doubt of that narrative over a year ago
I meant to mention this earlier...
"The majority of all human infectious diseases and pandemics have originated through the cross-species transmission of microorganisms from animals to humans"
Ah so you’re saying there lab leak theory is wrong? Or most likely wrong? If so I recommend more research, but you’d have to steer clear of mainstream articles from before last month as tech censors from your side ensured contrary information was removed.
They’re not “my” Justice Centre for Constitutional freedoms, they’re just a group fighting to defend civil liberties that I cited.
I’lll note you didn’t attempt to counter any of my other points, so I’ll take that you don’t contest them.
Ah so you’re saying there lab leak theory is wrong?
For someone who recommends research that's a strange response to a peer-reviewed journal article by a bunch of specialists in the field.
Those experts say "The majority of all human infectious diseases and pandemics have originated through the cross-species transmission of microorganisms from animals to humans"
You, who have produced no evidence of expertise in the field, nor any sources, say "Research on this should have left any reasonable person with profound doubt of that narrative".
What research? Why would anyone believe you?
I’lll note you didn’t attempt to counter any of my other points, so I’ll take that you don’t contest them.
Have you backed any of your opinions up? "That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."
I think it is ultimately a good thing for our cause that the government is pushing everyone into a vaccine with such high risk. In retrospect, people will realize that a lot of deaths were caused by it and that they were lied to, and it will bring down the trust people have in the government. There are also potentially long term effects that haven't been figured out yet, so we'll be the last ones laughing.
Yes, but we remember what Darwin taught us, traits that favours survival will be selected. Evolution is not over.
How are there homosexuals around then? Wouldn’t that trait have died out?
I've seen before that it's explained by the fact that in a family, it's advantageous to have men that can take the role of the dad if he were to die. The uncle still has his gene selected when his nephew survives by his care once the dad dies from a tiger attack. He would not be able to do it if he lead his own tribe and had kids.
Mutations will survive because they a) Become less virulent b) become more transmissible c) become more resistant to countermeasures
Only with c) would the pathogen be likely to be more virulent.
This matches what we’ve seen with the oh-so-scary “delta variant”. If the virus does mutate to become deadlier it will almost certainly derive from the vaccinated.
Is it a fact that it made the leap from animals to humans?
"Canada cracks down on doctors who exaggerate risks of COVID-19 vaccines"
There. Fixed that for you.
If your mind is absolutely made up on the subject and you refuse to listen to any other points of view don't waste your time by reading further. If you are actually curious about the risks associated with the vaccines I suggest you compare the percentage of serious adverse effects - not just I felt crappy for a day or two - with the risks associated with taking the virus on board.
Do your own research.
Edit: This is OmegaCanada. Why are we posting opinion pieces from American conspiracy theorists? Don't we have enough of our own?
You’re referring to medical experts as conspiracy theorists.
The inventor of the mRNA tech himself has been cancelled.
Why are the pro-experimentalvaxxers so intent on stifling open debate?
From the article: "Francis Christian, a clinical professor of surgery"
No training / background / expertise in infectious diseases, virology, or public health. Hardly an expert. It's like getting your football strategy from a tennis pro.
Also:
It was the the Saskatchewan Health Authority calling him a conspiracy theorist, not me.
The conspiracy theorist I was referring to is John F. Solomon, "Managing Member" of the Bentley Media Group LLC, which published the anonymous article that started this discussion. Bentley Media Group LLC is "primarily [an] Advertising Agencies business / industry" with 2 employees. (https://www.buzzfile.com/business/Bentley-Media-Group-LLC-202-236-5606}
It is in the business of getting ads on peoples' screens and if that means serving up bullshit to people scared by a global pandemic then that's fine with Mr. Solomon. It's not about providing information for him, it's about selling ads.
The self-styled inventor. Funny that stories about the development of mRNA technology .don't say anything about him. Except, of course, the ones he tells. I know, I know - you think that's a real conspiracy.
Because they understand viruses and virus mutations. Imagine you're in a car with a bunch of people trying to outrun a forest fire. There's fire all around, cinders raining down, you don't know if the road is even open ahead of you, and there's this guy in the back seat saying "We have to go back. I think I left the tap on in the sink." He wants to have an open debate.
So what are the long term effects?
That's the question, isn't it? We don't know for sure, and waiting to run all the trials and crunch all the numbers means watching even more people die.
A new-to-us virus makes the leap from animals to humans and turns out to be pretty transmissible and capable of killing part of the population it infects. And it mutates.
We don't know how bad the outcome will be, and this fear of the unknown drives some people to believing that millions of people are either deliberately trying to kill them, or too stupid to know they're part of the plot.
Do you agree or disagree with informed consent?
Do you agree or disagree with the Nuremberg Code?
When viruses mutate do they become more or less deadly?
Both. a lot of the mutations don't survive.
I’m not married to my opinions I have an open mind and have been intently researching this for 1.5 years now. My impressions have shifted dramatically over that time.
It’s a convenient refrain to dismiss out of hand the opinion of another as a “conspiracy theorist”. The ironic thing is that it weakens your stance. We all know conspiracies do exist. However I’m not suggesting I believe there is a ploy by millions of people as you mentioned to eradicate the population, I think the chances of that are quite low. There is however abundant data that calls virtually every aspect of official covid narrative into question, and leaves me with plenty of concern.
I’d be happy to expand into great detail with sources if you want to really dig in.
“From the article: "Francis Christian, a clinical professor of surgery" No training / background / expertise in infectious diseases, virology, or public health. Hardly an expert. It's like getting your football strategy from a tennis pro.”
This situation with Dr Christian doesn’t match your analogy. His is at the apex of medical expertise, fired due to advocating for informed consent. You don’t need to be a virologist or epidemiologist to understand fundamental medical ethics. Informed Consent isn’t optional. He is legally represented by the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms, and it will be interesting to see the outcome of the various proceedings that are now to ensue. I searched for your article to no avail, but here’s the other side: https://www.jccf.ca/surgeon-fired-by-college-of-medicine-for-voicing-safety-concerns-about-covid-shots-for-children/
“The self-styled inventor. Funny that stories about the development of mRNA technology .don't say anything about him. Except, of course, the ones he tells. I know, I know - you think that's a real conspiracy.”
This is totally false information and anything but funny. Dr. Robert Malone discovered RNA transfection and invented mRNA vaccines, he wrote the patent disclosure, this is undeniable. He no longer appears in Wikipedia since recommending against vaccinating young people and advocating for informed consent. LinkedIn deleted him then reinstated him. Big tech censorship.
You state that Covid jumped from animals to humans as fact. Research on this should have left any reasonable person with profound doubt of that narrative over a year ago. However until Dr Fauci admitted it was likely a month ago Governments/Google/YouTube/Facebook/Twitter/Reddit/Wikipedia all coordinated to cancel anyone who even suggested the possibility that it came from the level 4 lab now confirmed to have been conducting gain of function research, at the origin of the outbreak.
The government hasn’t followed the science on masks, therapeutics or lockdowns. They dialed up up PCR cycles, don’t mention the roles vitamin D or obesity play. Their coordinated campaign of silencing dissenting voices is profoundly unscientific, and undemocratic. They still haven’t even provided evidence showing the costs of their various measures against the benefits of them. This is a requirement to suspend our rights under the constitution. They have implemented a campaign of coercion to force the vaccine upon people, while it is in ongoing clinical trial.
Covid isn’t dangerous to most people, certainly not children. The average age of mortality is over 80, in line with life expectancy. How many 80 year olds lives does it take to equal one 12 year olds life. You’re not going to like my opinion, I think the child is worth more than all of them.
For the record: the conspiracy theorist I was referring to is John Solomon, the man whose advertising agency published the article referenced in the original post. You can read about him online and make up your own mind:
https://archives.cjr.org/feature/something_fishy.php
http://archives.cjr.org/politics/john_solomon_gives_us_less_tha.php
The informed consent argument is interesting in an academic way. It's like standing outside a burning building discussing the merits of the various fire hoses instead of hooking them up. No doubt there will be some movement on the question at some point in the future but meanwhile there's a global pandemic going on.
And still on informed consent: medical credentials don't lend particular weight to your opinion on informed consent. It's more a question of philosophy.
Dr. Malone authored an important paper over 30 years ago. Last month "Malone clarified that he was not discouraging the use of the vaccine but was providing people with as much fair information as he could about their risks." (https://news.yahoo.com/single-most-qualified-mrna-expert-173600060.html)
Concerning those risks: 3.4 billion vaccine shots have been administered. Tens of millions of fatalities would have to be reported before the danger from the vaccine would be remotely comparable to the danger from the virus.
That's not happening.
I meant to mention this earlier...
"The majority of all human infectious diseases and pandemics have originated through the cross-species transmission of microorganisms from animals to humans"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2874076/
For a pandemic to result from a lab-generated virus would be a first.
And I notice your Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms is in the news these days. Mr. Carpay got a little carried away, it seems.
If you are open to hearing alternate ideas from the government and tech oligarch narrative I recommend “The Muccullough Report” podcast.
If the July 5 podcast doesn’t cause you to question things you’re likely incapable of having an open mind.
Ah so you’re saying there lab leak theory is wrong? Or most likely wrong? If so I recommend more research, but you’d have to steer clear of mainstream articles from before last month as tech censors from your side ensured contrary information was removed.
They’re not “my” Justice Centre for Constitutional freedoms, they’re just a group fighting to defend civil liberties that I cited.
I’lll note you didn’t attempt to counter any of my other points, so I’ll take that you don’t contest them.
For someone who recommends research that's a strange response to a peer-reviewed journal article by a bunch of specialists in the field.
Those experts say "The majority of all human infectious diseases and pandemics have originated through the cross-species transmission of microorganisms from animals to humans"
You, who have produced no evidence of expertise in the field, nor any sources, say "Research on this should have left any reasonable person with profound doubt of that narrative".
What research? Why would anyone believe you?
Have you backed any of your opinions up? "That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."
I sent you a podcast containing extensive details from experts that I strongly suspect you are incapable of listening to.
What are Canada's numbers for side effects?
How is Canada's reporting system different than the US (VAERS) and the UK (Yellow Card)?
How does Canada's numbers line up with numbers from those two systems?
Like I said, do your own research. I'm not the Internet.