Former anti-vax Edson woman shares husband's COVID-19 ICU horror story.
(edmontonjournal.com)
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Sure. Here ya go.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
CDC IFR tables, it’s about half way down the page under a lot of text. They have changed it from a simple percentage to out of a million. Odd thing to do. Quick bit of maths and 500 people dying “from” the Rona is 500 out of 1m. That’s still 0.05% IFR, Survival rate of 99.95%.
To extrapolate this IFR to other countries is not illogical nor unreasonable. Indeed, the English Office Of National Statistics easily found data shows a national IFR statistically even less- 0.003%
The leaky vaccines, links below. well.. turns out since Pfizer/Moderna et al have now quietly changed their official effectiveness from earlier this year from much dinosaur media copious praise of a miraculous 95% stopping the coof in its tracks to: the current version is now the mouthful of humble pie of: ‘the jabs still work but just reduce severity of symptoms”, this now thing in pharmaceutical clinicians circles of a ‘leaky vaccine’ ‘
Here’s some bits from 2 things talking about how vaccines can become “leaky.”
https://www.futurity.org/viruses-leaky-vaccines-968692/ “When a vaccine works perfectly, as do the childhood vaccines for smallpox, polio, mumps, rubella, and measles, it prevents vaccinated individuals from being sickened by the disease, and it also prevents them from transmitting the virus to others,” says Andrew Read, a leader of the research team and professor of biology and entomology and biotechnology at Penn State.”
The long and short of it is since the Rona jabs don’t stop the bug cold the vast majority of the time, according to pathology 101, this can drive unnatural evolution of stronger bugs. Not unlike the virus /jab version of antibiotic resistance. Traditional real vaccines (not gene “therapies” like the Rona shot ) drive virus evolution the other way. Weaker.
Original paper talking about leaky vaccines here: https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198 Appears to be some biology journal of imperial college London.
“Vaccines that… do not prevent the spread of the pathogen relax this selection, allowing evolution of hotter pathogens... This type of vaccine is often called a leaky vaccine. When vaccines prevent transmission, as is the case for nearly all vaccines used in humans, this type of evolution towards increased virulence is blocked. But when vaccines leak, allowing at least some pathogen transmission, they could… allow hot strains to emerge and persist. …experiments with Marek’s disease virus in poultry that show that modern commercial leaky vaccines can have precisely this effect: they allow the onward transmission of strains otherwise too lethal to persist. Thus, the use of leaky vaccines can facilitate the evolution of pathogen strains that put unvaccinated hosts at greater risk of severe disease”
“Which you get by surviving the virus, which takes us back to the flooded hospitals.”
You raised the point about getting the Rona naturally. If you are strong. Relatively healthy and relatively young (or even old and strong) then just taking ones chances and getting Corona by chance is still the best way to build natural immunity - by a factor of x27 or so from any jab that may be developed.
If you are positing that folk in hospitals are getting it naturally well maybe they are. This raises more questions however:
If Corona has an IFR of 0.05%, this means it kills rarely. Then what are they in hospital for? Plenty of Ilnesses are non fatal and may or may have unpleasant symptoms. True. There is some diseases that are usually non fatal but highly infectious and can leave you bedbound and is very inconvenient for the patient. mono, for Eg in children- that sometimes require isolation in a hospital.
So what are these “Rona” patients dying of then?
If they are not dying, then all is well.
If they are dying, then either they are dying of something else or the Rona all by itself, if the latter, the CDC and ONS is either incompetent, lying or perhaps both.
If they have had the double double pokey and get admitted to hospital “with” the Rona, then (according to Pfizer/Moderna et al) basically sorry you still got it, the symptoms will be way less you should be fine.
Okay fine. But why take 2 (3, now 4) jabs for a pathogen with an IFR of 0.03 to 0.05%?
That’s akin to taking a jab for influenza, Athletes foot Or the common cold. Why bother?
Perhaps the “variants”? Are more pathogenic? Now why would that be? Unnatural evolutionary drives of jabs that allow the virus or bacterium to not quite get stopped 100%. Leaky vaccines again.
This whole thing has more elephants in rooms being ignored than an understaffed zoo.
The projections in Box 1? where it says "They are not predictions or estimates of the expected impact of COVID-19." How are they relevant? Or am I looking in the wrong place?
It was clearly stated when they were released that whether they would maintain their initial effectiveness was unknown. Nothing "quiet" about determining that a) they lose some over time, and b) results with the Delta variant might be different.
What does this have to do with vaccines that never claimed to work perfectly, only reduce the load on the healthcare system?
They never claimed to. What would be the state of our healthcare system - and economy - if they had never been introduced.
I have a hard time understanding why some people are so unhappy that a 100%-effective-vaccine-guaranteed-to-protect-everyone-from-any-damage-at-all has not appeared. So many of them fail to think about where we would be if waited for that.
Box 5. If CDC data is not your cup of tea then perhaps HM gov UK ONS data showing 0.03% IFR?
How about Canada? Their IFR is 0.07%. Of course, it’s a lot harder to find the average age of deaths and how many cormobidities they had. Curious.
However 99.6% of all Rona deaths in BC are in Long term care homes. Vast majority of hospitalised are around 80. The average age of non accident deaths in Canada is 85. (Source: HM Gov Canada https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html )
Quibbling about effectiveness and the timescale of the u turn is a side show.
If to “reduce severity of symptoms”, then what are the symptoms?
Mono nucleosis has worse symptoms and is way, way more infectious than the Rona is, yet no vaccine exists for that - despite requiring isolation in hospital for children for bad cases. It’s not usually fatal though.
You required proof of the difference between leaky and non leaky vaccines, I found it and supplied it, showing by clinical therapeutics definition, the Rona jabs are leaky.
Seeing as they have dropped to 30% effective, would a better way to be treat the frail elderly symptoms only if they come into hospital, much like we do if elderly/frail do with influenza?
Are you positing we should continue with a jab that has dropped to 70% ineffective?
Finally, care to reveal to the forum as to your status of receiving the holy anointing of the mystery infusion or not? Aka the Rona jab.
Also. Will you get the 3rd? And the fourth?
There is no Box 5 at the link you referenced: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
Different analyses of statistics are required for different purposes, most of which are not understood by people like you and me. I'm just going to paste in an answer to another post:
Those of us without a firm background in statistics might not understand the differences between the various ways of looking at the numbers. For example, here's a quote from a recent paper: "Currently, the global COVID-19 crude mortality rate is approximately 39 per 100,000 population, and the median case-fatality ratio-defined as the ratio of deaths to total infections-is estimated to be around 1.8%" https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340241816_The_many_estimates_of_the_COVID-19_case_fatality_rate
So for those of us without the background to understand the technical nuances of the various numerical analyses I suggest we just go with the simple numbers. As of Oct 8 2021 in Canada there have been 1,585,972 cases which left victims alive, and another 28,186 people who didn't make it. https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html
That works out to 1.78% (just under 2%) of the people who tested positive for the virus having died. That's about 1 in 50.
Yeah. Fuck those old people. </s>
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Not sure what the argument is here. Vaccines should never have been used? Where would we be now if that was the case?
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Even if the IFR is 1.8%, that’s still a 98% Survival rate. I, and my family will take our chances, seeing as we have already had it, and now have about 27x better immunity than any jab. Worst case, natural immunity is superior.
https://headlineusa.com/harvard-natural-immunity-27-vax/
Scenario 5 or Table 5, the end part.
500 deaths per 1m cases.
Jab efficiency 33-40% https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/health-ministry-says-covid-vaccine-is-only-40-effective-at-halting-transmission/
https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1346
BC CDC data shows “stable and low deaths” http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/COVID_sitrep/2021-08-26_Data_Summary.pdf
If you are that worried. Go take the 1 or 2 or 3 or 5 jabs if you want. 88% of Canada is jabbed. If you get it you’re covered. If Canada achieves 99% (because 100% is impossible as babies are always being born and well, you don’t give it to babies) then all is well… right?